After the Unbearable Pain

[Leo Gura]

Just now, James123 said:

Definitely right. I am the weakest human being in front of god. After this, i will call myself "poor james". 

Can we change my nickname from james123 to "Poor james"?

Don't sell yourself short!

You ARE God. None other.

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But your mindset is that it does matter.

More like YOUR mindset, Leo. 

As I  mentioned.. the source of suffering is the wanting of things to be different than they appear to be.  Basically attachment. I'm working through my attachment. I'm working on my smoking addiction and porn addiction and actualized.org addiction..so don't assume what's others condition is .

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[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Someone here freedom from „freedom of suffering” is much better.

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't sell yourself short!

You ARE God. None other.

I am god, but God is nothing. Imo, Being humble, having a smooth and beautiful heart, and putting heads down makes you closer to nothing.

Rumi says the same thing. Now I understand why they still prays 5 times a day, meditate, pray to god, asking for forgiveness to god, and putting heads down.

What do you think? 

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

…yes, our human games. Life can challenge us in toughest ways. Surrender to what is, is good. Sometimes very hard but still it’s the best option. What else can you do? Reality is way bigger than us. Stay strong Bro. It’s gonna be ok in the end, at least I hope so.

We cant so anything brother. Thank you very much for your input. Thank you. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

so don't assume what's others condition is .

Your condition is as I said it is.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Someone here freedom from „freedom of suffering” is much better.

Same thing .

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am god, but God is nothing. Imo, Being humble, having a smooth and beautiful heart, and putting heads down makes you closer to nothing.

God is your dream.

[Rafael Thundercat]

29 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Freedom from suffering is possible and is the aim of all spirtual work . You are conflating pain with suffering. Pain is inevitable. Suffering is how you react emotionally to the pain.

"Happiness means you are having a good dream . Suffering means you are having a bad dream . Awakening is to wake up from the entire dream "-(forgot who said that ).

Also ..please be gentle with him. can you ?

It feels Leo gave him a sane and grounded words. Is all this talk of " having a good dream" or "bad dream" that is BS. When one suffer a loss, it dont feel like dream, and no amount or racionalization will be usefull as a pacifier. The way beyond is going through and not avoid it with semantic tricks. 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God is your dream.

Of course!!! But i am trying to understand the best way of living, with all the problems, suffering, pain, etc... What can be the best path of living? Enlightenment or death is easy, but the life terrifies me. 

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your condition is as I said it is.

Hey I'm not claiming to be some ascending fana-al-fana spiritual schmuck who is high on bliss all the fucking time .

I clearly stated my addictions. So you are right . But you missed the point .I said it doesn't have to be this way . YouCAN do spiritual work and transcend suffering. Its possible 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

What can be the best path of living?

Integrity with your highest values.

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[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

It feels Leo gave him a sane and grounded words. I

Lol

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Integrity with your highest values.

Damn right. Thank you.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@James123 since when are you taking them and why you are taking them if its for too long ?

I sense that there is something else that is bothering you but you are not opening up completely because of what you think people will judge you etc

Imo on the spirtual path (and life in general )  there comes a time when the emotion/trauma work is unavoidable. There comes a time when you cannot think yourself out of misery..the emotions must be released. 

A self realization teacher I spoke with told me her son did the meditation technique which i linked above cured his depression. Give it a try .seriously try it .you've got nothing to lose ..right ?

It really is energetic..the body is letting go of the emotional energies..essentially emptying itself out...Just try it once. You'd be surprised how many diseases stem from unresolved trauma or emotional energies. I'm gonna make a post about it here soon .

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@James123 since when are you taking them and why you are taking them if its for too long ?

I sense that there is something else that is bothering you but you are not opening up completely because of what you think people will judge you etc

Imo on the spirtual path (and life in general )  there comes a time when the emotion/trauma work is unavoidable. There comes a time when you cannot think yourself out of misery..the emotions must be released. 

A self realization teacher I spoke with told me her son did the meditation technique which i linked above cured his depression. Give it a try .seriously try it .you've got nothing to lose ..right ?

It really is energetic..the body is letting go of the emotional energies..essentially emptying itself out...Just try it once. You'd be surprised how many diseases stem from unresolved trauma or emotional energies. I'm gonna make a post about it here soon .

Sure brother. İ will try, thank you very much!!!

I was diagnosed with MDD. Therefore, i have been on antidepressants for 3 years right now. I had a open heart surgery 10 years ago. 

Moreover, i actually do not hide anything, i am sharing all my weakest or strongest or "whatever it is" point with you guys. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Now you understand just how much spiritual fantasy all this enlightenment, nonduality, freedom from suffering, unconditional happiness is. Yet more human games.

God slapped you around and humbled you a bit, which is great. God is still way beyond your comprehension and state of consciousness still dictates your life. This is a healthy dose of reality.

Exactly 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

I am god, but God is nothing. Imo, Being humble, having a smooth and beautiful heart, and putting heads down makes you closer to nothing.

Rumi says the same thing. Now I understand why they still prays 5 times a day, meditate, pray to god, asking for forgiveness to god, and putting heads down.

What do you think? 

When the things in life gets ugly, and things gets ugly almost sure, then it's the moment to say: I am here, do with me what you want. All of us are going to cry and beg for mercy, but life is merciless. The moment of the truth use to come, this is not a game. Let's see how I'm going to react, but as a preparation what I try is not liying myself 

[Javfly33]

Shit happens, i dont have a son but ive Heard is very Deep pain if anything happens to your Children if you are a father. 

@Leo Gura Lmao. You say to people all the time they are God and the Next moment you are telling them God slapped them on their face. 

There is no Will of God that makes a child have tachichardia. 

There is a certain intelligence in Reality but is not the reality you think It is.  

You are not interested in Liberation at all and you are fine with this games of Is Gods Will.

Same as Religious leaders.

Getting into a place of Existencial Power is not for someone that loves to outsource reality to a concept called God.

 

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[Yimpa]

God is your son. A human will not understand this.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Next moment you are telling them God slapped them on their face. 

When a bus runs over your cat, that is God slapping you around. It doesn't mean it was some intentional thing. But slap you God did.