Andrew Tate video- > "You have 10 years to get rich before western society collapses"

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

2 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Good I will watch some of his Figths. 

   Watch some of his thighs? Okay boi...nothing sus about that, not judging. You do you!😁

[hyruga]

10 years is just a poverty narrative he created to get you to sign up for his course.

[Danioover9000]

@hyruga

8 minutes ago, hyruga said:

10 years is just a poverty narrative he created to get you to sign up for his course.

   At least it's not a buy now or this week or you lose the deal tactic I've heard in the past.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Carl-Richard

   Because we're 10 years into the present...

🤔

What is wrong with the world 10 years in the future that was not wrong with the world 10 years ago?

[Juan]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

   If I use you as an example, you lack the fighting spirit to quit Tik Tok porn vids for example. You too addicted to social media shorts, letting those devices pervert your mind, making you an addict to all that digital stimulation. Andrew Tate's fighting spirit might mean you need some spiritual energy, to reclaim your soul back from those Tik Tok pervs, and just have the balls to say NO, and to say FUCK YOU TIK TOK! And just commit to breaking your bad habit over the months.

That’s not a example because Tate doesn’t talk (that I’m aware of) about TikTok specifically. So what PRACTICALLY do you mean with his “fighting spirit”? Give us tangible factual example from Tate that we could “emulate”. 

P.S. you came back with the personal attacks so, don’t be surprised if a Mod or Leo bans you. 

Edited June 22 by Juan

[Danioover9000]

@hyruga

2 hours ago, hyruga said:

10 years is just a poverty narrative he created to get you to sign up for his course.

   Also, mastery of 1 or 2 skills is around 10 years, so technically Andrew is right, you have about 10 years to develop a useful skill that makes you extremely valuable to hire.

[Jodistrict]

Tate urges all men to get rich, but the nature of the capitalist system is that there is only a few at the top.  If everyone is rich, you are just average, i.e. inflation.  It is the matrix (capitalist system) that enables Tate to be rich.  But, he claims to be at war with the matrix.   His point of view contradicts itself.  He also gives bad advice.  The most valuable thing you have is your sanity.  If you are sane, you don’t need a lot of things to be happy.  You can be low profile and live off the grid.  You can also attract a sane woman and have real love.  The women around Tate are all users just like him.  They use each other.  His accusers are not innocent although they may have the law on their side. 

[Danioover9000]

@Jodistrict

2 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Tate urges all men to get rich, but the nature of the capitalist system is that there is only a few at the top.  If everyone is rich, you are just average, i.e. inflation.  It is the matrix (capitalist system) that enables Tate to be rich.  But, he claims to be at war with the matrix.   His point of view contradicts itself.  He also gives bad advice.  The most valuable thing you have is your sanity.  If you are sane, you don’t need a lot of things to be happy.  You can be low profile and live off the grid.  You can also attract a sane woman and have real love.  The women around Tate are all users just like him.  They use each other.  His accusers are not innocent although they may have the law on their side. 

   Sure, but he wasn't rich for free, he had to have the fighting spirit and drive to that wealth. Like everything in life, if it's a freebie it's meaningless and almost worthless, and usually what's worthwhile is to fight for your highest possibility and fight for what you want out of life! Just like what Leo had to do, Actualized.org ain't a freebie that's for sure!

[Consept]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Jodistrict

   Sure, but he wasn't rich for free, he had to have the fighting spirit and drive to that wealth. Like everything in life, if it's a freebie it's meaningless and almost worthless, and usually what's worthwhile is to fight for your highest possibility and fight for what you want out of life! Just like what Leo had to do, Actualized.org ain't a freebie that's for sure!

Heres a counter argument to Tates 'fighting spirit'. I agree that Tate has a certain drive for money, fame etc but it appears that this comes from a deep insecurity ie he has some deep, baked in issues that lead him to needing this worldly accomplishments. Now this isnt necessarily a negative in of itself, as theres probably many people have started with an insecurity and grown themselves in positive ways and maybe even gotten over their insecurities. However with Tate, he wants the fame and money regardless of what it takes to get there, he has no problem with exploiting others and manipulating his way there with shortcuts. Now you can say that he has a fighting spirit because he wants to get there by any means necessary but i dont believe these methods indicate that, i think to the contrary he doesnt have the fighting spirit to actually do it, he just wants it, and so he has to come up with ways where he doesnt need to put in the work but can still get the success he craves. 

For example with his webcam business, taking morality aside, he couldve had a legitimate webcam business where he paid the girls fairly and put in the hard work to recruit girls in legitimate ways. Instead of this he manipulated the girls so that they were in love with them and thought he was with them and then got them to work in his business, with various methods of coercion and control. This is not a fighting spirit, this is weak and manipulative. 

As an analogy, its kinda like saying, if we were in a marathon race and halfway through I ordered an uber which took me 10 miles and then i got out and finished the last couple of miles of the race. You could make the argument that i had that fighting spirit because i found a way to win but it wouldnt be a great argument. If you wanted to actually be a great winner my advice would most likely not make you a great runner although I could give you advice on how to cheat and win.

This crosses over to Tate as his actual workout advice is terrible, he tells people to eat whatever and train for like 20 mins. His business advice is much the same. In reality what he does is setup the expectations and the wants of his followers but coupled with lacklustre advice on how to actually get it. 

Hes now promoting a meme coin where he tells his followers that if they get on board they can make millions, he showed screenshots of big transfers from accounts, which it has been exposed by those in the crypto space are just bot accounts. So again its the same bullshit, get rich quick schemes. My prediction is most of his followers will lose out and he will gain. 

None of this is fighting spirit, fighting spirit is someone who keeps going even when the odds are against them and does the hard stuff. Maybe somone like David Goggins, this is not Tate.

[Rafael Thundercat]

18 minutes ago, Consept said:

For example with his webcam business, taking morality aside, he couldve had a legitimate webcam business where he paid the girls fairly and put in the hard work to recruit girls in legitimate ways. Instead of this he manipulated the girls so that they were in love with them and thought he was with them and then got them to work in his business, with various methods of coercion and control. This is not a fighting spirit, this is weak and manipulative. 

Actually there is a photographer called Hergre that have a legitim bussiness in the erotic industry where is all made in respect and acordance to law. There is a buddhist law of rigth livinghood, and well, we find ourselfs in our current world state exactly because a lot of people dont follow this tenet.

[Danioover9000]

@Consept

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Heres a counter argument to Tates 'fighting spirit'. I agree that Tate has a certain drive for money, fame etc but it appears that this comes from a deep insecurity ie he has some deep, baked in issues that lead him to needing this worldly accomplishments. Now this isnt necessarily a negative in of itself, as theres probably many people have started with an insecurity and grown themselves in positive ways and maybe even gotten over their insecurities. However with Tate, he wants the fame and money regardless of what it takes to get there, he has no problem with exploiting others and manipulating his way there with shortcuts. Now you can say that he has a fighting spirit because he wants to get there by any means necessary but i dont believe these methods indicate that, i think to the contrary he doesnt have the fighting spirit to actually do it, he just wants it, and so he has to come up with ways where he doesnt need to put in the work but can still get the success he craves. 

For example with his webcam business, taking morality aside, he couldve had a legitimate webcam business where he paid the girls fairly and put in the hard work to recruit girls in legitimate ways. Instead of this he manipulated the girls so that they were in love with them and thought he was with them and then got them to work in his business, with various methods of coercion and control. This is not a fighting spirit, this is weak and manipulative. 

As an analogy, its kinda like saying, if we were in a marathon race and halfway through I ordered an uber which took me 10 miles and then i got out and finished the last couple of miles of the race. You could make the argument that i had that fighting spirit because i found a way to win but it wouldnt be a great argument. If you wanted to actually be a great winner my advice would most likely not make you a great runner although I could give you advice on how to cheat and win.

This crosses over to Tate as his actual workout advice is terrible, he tells people to eat whatever and train for like 20 mins. His business advice is much the same. In reality what he does is setup the expectations and the wants of his followers but coupled with lacklustre advice on how to actually get it. 

Hes now promoting a meme coin where he tells his followers that if they get on board they can make millions, he showed screenshots of big transfers from accounts, which it has been exposed by those in the crypto space are just bot accounts. So again its the same bullshit, get rich quick schemes. My prediction is most of his followers will lose out and he will gain. 

None of this is fighting spirit, fighting spirit is someone who keeps going even when the odds are against them and does the hard stuff. Maybe somone like David Goggins, this is not Tate.

   The counter argument to your counter argument is that you're bogged down in details, and specific actions Andrew Tate took. I'm arguing for younger people to inherit his fighting spirit, that same fighting spirit found in Bruce Lee, that's found in Arnold, that's found with pioneers. You're getting lost in the specifics of his insecurities and supposed criminal stuff. You're just like the Andrew Tate haters and lefties that just demonize capitalism and anytime a person gets more successful relative to them. You end up promoting a loser mentality instead.

[Consept]

20 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Consept

   The counter argument to your counter argument is that you're bogged down in details, and specific actions Andrew Tate took. I'm arguing for younger people to inherit his fighting spirit, that same fighting spirit found in Bruce Lee, that's found in Arnold, that's found with pioneers. You're getting lost in the specifics of his insecurities and supposed criminal stuff. You're just like the Andrew Tate haters and lefties that just demonize capitalism and anytime a person gets more successful relative to them. You end up promoting a loser mentality instead.

You miss my point, I'm not saying having a fighting spirit is bad or that capitalism is bad, I'm saying Tate doesn't have a true fighting spirit. The reason I got into specifics is to demonstrate that he puts out the appearance of a fighting spirit but doesn't actually live it. Therefore his advice of 'by any means necessary', parading as a warrior spirit is actually very bad for young people as it will lead to more problems than it solves and doesn't actually hit the root of the problems they have, it just pretends to and takes their money and attention in the process. 

There's plenty of examples that can be incredibly beneficial for young men, Tate is not one of them. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

it just pretends to and takes their money and attention in the process. 

Here some examples of Fighting spirit. The thing is that people can use the same fight spirit to different directions. The most usefull direction to use figth spirit is towards awakening. But do you think this is how the majority wish?? 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8UAEnGvt8C/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This is the figth spirit in Brasil Politics. Paulo Marçal from the Rigth, promising to built a building of 1 kilometer in São Paulo. Pure Tatic and manipulation. So lets not confuse figth spirit with this thing we see everywhere including in Tate Narrative. is just Narrative wars instead of Integrity

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8Noz_VI3vX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[Danioover9000]

@Consept

1 hour ago, Consept said:

You miss my point, I'm not saying having a fighting spirit is bad or that capitalism is bad, I'm saying Tate doesn't have a true fighting spirit. The reason I got into specifics is to demonstrate that he puts out the appearance of a fighting spirit but doesn't actually live it. Therefore his advice of 'by any means necessary', parading as a warrior spirit is actually very bad for young people as it will lead to more problems than it solves and doesn't actually hit the root of the problems they have, it just pretends to and takes their money and attention in the process. 

There's plenty of examples that can be incredibly beneficial for young men, Tate is not one of them. 

   But you're implying that fighting spirit is bad because Andrew Tate and some specific immoral things about him. That's the problem, you all throw the baby out with the bath water! I also listed Bruce Lee, well Bruce Lee is also egotistical, so does that mean hate on Bruce Lee and ditch everything about him? No? Then don't do that with Andrew Tate then. Just because a few bad things /=/ fighting spirit bad. I'd rather have some of those young men weak in spirit and deeply insecure emulate Andrew Tate's spirit, than just be doomers and gloomers and incels paralyzed by fear and insecurities! You lot are just making a guilty by association fallacy with Andrew Tate, instead of taking what works and not what works, ya'll just blind hate the guy.

[Rafael Thundercat]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Just because a few bad things /=/ fighting spirit bad. I'd rather have some of those young men weak in spirit and deeply insecure emulate Andrew Tate's spirit, than just be doomers and gloomers and incels paralyzed by fear and insecurities!

You just ignore completly that someone ready imersed in the doomer and incel mentality will not filter the "few bad things" Tate express. They will drink the whole cup with Juice and poison. Seriously Dani, you can think better than this.

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Consept

   But you're implying that fighting spirit is bad because Andrew Tate and some specific immoral things about him. That's the problem, you all throw the baby out with the bath water! I also listed Bruce Lee, well Bruce Lee is also egotistical, so does that mean hate on Bruce Lee and ditch everything about him? No? Then don't do that with Andrew Tate then. Just because a few bad things /=/ fighting spirit bad. I'd rather have some of those young men weak in spirit and deeply insecure emulate Andrew Tate's spirit, than just be doomers and gloomers and incels paralyzed by fear and insecurities! You lot are just making a guilty by association fallacy with Andrew Tate, instead of taking what works and not what works, ya'll just blind hate the guy.

Again i think you miss my point. Your point as i understand is that Tate has a strong fighting spirit which benefits young men, he does some bad things but it doesnt take away from his fighting spirit. 

You think that my point is that Tate does bad stuff so im ignoring his fighting spirit and just hating him blindly. This is not my point, what im saying is that he doesnt have a fighting spirit, this is evident because he cheats and takes shortcuts as well as manipulates people to get what he wants. If you want to call it anything its a cheating spirit, which is antithetical to a fighting spirit because it is the avoidance of doing the hard work in favour of the quick fix. Theres maybe something there in his relentlessness and willingness to just completely screw people over, but i wouldnt call that fighting spirit and definitely wouldnt say its something to be emulated for young people.

Its kinda like if were playing chess and I cheat by using an engine, you can say that I found a way to win, but im not actually better at chess than you, I didnt fight to get the win I just took a shortcut. Yes its effective in the moment, but obviously it doesnt work long term as Tate is finding out now and how chess champions find out eventually when they get caught. 

Edited June 22 by Consept

[Danioover9000]

@Consept

9 hours ago, Consept said:

Again i think you miss my point. Your point as i understand is that Tate has a strong fighting spirit which benefits young men, he does some bad things but it doesnt take away from his fighting spirit. 

You think that my point is that Tate does bad stuff so im ignoring his fighting spirit and just hating him blindly. This is not my point, what im saying is that he doesnt have a fighting spirit, this is evident because he cheats and takes shortcuts as well as manipulates people to get what he wants. If you want to call it anything its a cheating spirit, which is antithetical to a fighting spirit because it is the avoidance of doing the hard work in favour of the quick fix. Theres maybe something there in his relentlessness and willingness to just completely screw people over, but i wouldnt call that fighting spirit and definitely wouldnt say its something to be emulated for young people.

Its kinda like if were playing chess and I cheat by using an engine, you can say that I found a way to win, but im not actually better at chess than you, I didnt fight to get the win I just took a shortcut. Yes its effective in the moment, but obviously it doesnt work long term as Tate is finding out now and how chess champions find out eventually when they get caught. 

   Yes, my original argument was that Andrew Tate is a good role modal for insecure weak incel young men. Then the Andrew Tate haters were twisting me and the arguments around, so I modified it into this: Andrew Tate is a good role modal if you just emulate and copy his qualities, like his drive, ambition, will to power, desire. So I simplified drive, ambition, will to power, and desire into fighting spirit. Then another wave of trolls and haters been attacking me and twisting what I meant, so I just repeated with fighting spirit instead. I don't mean to misconstrue your point, that point is what most haters and trolls have here that they think I'm saying to copy his behavior exactly. No, just his qualities like fighting spirit, willpower, drive, ambition, leadership, success, desire to achieve one's goals, and so on.

   Even an argument could be had that this cheater's spirit, to cheat and manipulate, is the same as fighting spirit. Why? Because even manipulations, and cheating, and even criminality require desire, drive, ambition, and thirst for success! Even a heist or swindle requires premeditation, planning, preparing, and follow through, which no doomer or incel or shy timid young boys will not do because they lack the spirit in the first place!

   I don't mean to be mean BTW, I'm getting harassed by haters and trolls of Andrew for even appearing to defend him when I'm not, just saying to emulate a few good points about him, not his bad behavior.

[Consept]

8 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Even an argument could be had that this cheater's spirit, to cheat and manipulate, is the same as fighting spirit. Why? Because even manipulations, and cheating, and even criminality require desire, drive, ambition, and thirst for success! Even a heist or swindle requires premeditation, planning, preparing, and follow through, which no doomer or incel or shy timid young boys will not do because they lack the spirit in the first place!

OK so i get where youre coming from. So if we say that he has a cheaters spirit which requires ambition and a will to win by any means necessary, then i dont think this would be great for vulnerable young men to emulate. Reason being, it will mess them up in the long run, it doesnt actually develop any real skills aside from manipulation and cheating and the chances are they will get caught out, if not by a friend then worse by the law. This has already happened in his war room chat logs there are plenty of young men who describe how theyve manipulated women to work on webcam, some even talk about violence and show pictures etc. This means that they could actually wind up in a lot of legal trouble. If his cheaters spirit is taken into the world it may grant them temporary success but thats about it, as well it definitely wont give them any kind of spiritual growth. 

The other thing is that Tate is a manipulator and he is manipulating his audience, even know hes doing a pump and dump scheme for a meme coin, promising his followers theyll be rich if they buy in. So to say that someone like Tate should be giving advice to vulnerable young men is basically saying wolves should be in charge of lambs. 

8 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

I don't mean to be mean BTW, I'm getting harassed by haters and trolls of Andrew for even appearing to defend him when I'm not, just saying to emulate a few good points about him, not his bad behavior.

In a way i get what you mean but i just dont think the good points can be separated out by the type of people that follow him, its pretty much all or nothing, he sets this dynamic by calling them brokies etc. He basically taunts them that if they dont follow him theyre a loser, which is something youd see in cults. Someone who is able to see through an ignore all the 'bad' stuff, probably wouldnt follow him in the first place. 

In general following a criminal is not going to give you good results, I know lots of ex-criminals who have done their time and are now excellent role models, but they have been through a whole journey and advise young people not to go down their road. Someone like Tate has actively encouraged others to do exactly what he did, which got him into the predicament hes in now. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

10 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

I don't mean to be mean BTW, I'm getting harassed by haters and trolls of Andrew for even appearing to defend him when I'm not, just saying to emulate a few good points about him, not his bad behavior

Dont play the victim, nobody is harassing you here.

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Danioover9000 a figthing spirit video for you. I know you like a good Rap.