Leo, do you still hold the belief that 5meo DMT can cause permanent enlightenment?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Scholar said:

The issue is that you are framing existence as illusiory, or "imagined". That's because the perceiver has not been deconstructed.

No.

Regradless of what you say, do, or how enlightened you get, physical reality will always be imagined by you. There's no way around that.

No amount of deconstructing the self will change that.

Deconstructing the self is a fine thing but it has no bearing on the nature of Consciousness which I describe. Consciousness is the way that I say and works the way that I say. How much you choose to deconstruct yourself is up to you. But the house you sleep in, the trees you see, and the people you meet will always be imaginary.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura what do you mean by imagined? How do you conclude that it is imagined? How can i discover that for myself? Imagination has a certain connotation but you Keep using it for everything that exists? 

[Davino]

@Malekakisioannis Reality is a Dream of Consciousness.

Become conscious enough, you will see it. How to become more conscious? I cannot tell what will work for you. I'm biased towards psychedelics and intense kundalini yoga. Find what works for you and you will realize beyond doubt that Reality is a Dream of Consciousness.

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Leo Gura what do you mean by imagined?

Physical reality is imaginary.

Pick up a small object, hold it in your hands, and try to notice that it is imaginary.

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How do you conclude that it is imagined?

Higher consciousness/awakened consciousness is required.

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How can i discover that for myself?

Take psychedelic amd do the above exercise.

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Imagination has a certain connotation but you Keep using it for everything that exists? 

Humans consider imagination to only be what happens inside your head. But that is 2nd order imagination. 1st order imagination is the physical world outside your head.

The key is to realize that there is no boundary between inside your head and outside your head. So everything is just different orders of imagination.

In a dream every part of it is imaginary. The whole dream world is imagination. And so is life. Again, the key is to realize there is no boundary between a dream and life.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura so i am imagining you talking to me and denying that it is imaginary? If i ask my girlfriend if she is conscious her answer is imagined by me and so is not legit? That means i cant trust anything anyone says. How can i forget that then and go back to ignorance? If i die will i forget?

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Leo Gura so i am imagining you talking to me and denying that it is imaginary? If i ask my girlfriend if she is conscious her answer is imagined by me and so is not legit? That means i cant trust anything anyone says. How can i forget that then and go back to ignorance? If i die will i forget?

Don't think of it in such a shallow way.

Imagination IS reality.

"Not legit" is not right. You are treating imagination as something bad.

You haven't become conscious of it yet, so you are currently in the forgotten state.

Death is imaginary.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Leo Gura

[shree]

56 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Leo Gura so i am imagining you talking to me and denying that it is imaginary? If i ask my girlfriend if she is conscious her answer is imagined by me and so is not legit? That means i cant trust anything anyone says. How can i forget that then and go back to ignorance? If i die will i forget?

The top of the mountain may be in front of your nose, but you are blinded by looking at the map.

 

Books, religion, spirituality, even Leo's words are just pointers, maps.

 

When a person who has experienced the absolute says this is all a dream, it doesn’t mean material reality is irrelevant or non-existent.

 

It just means it's pale in comparison with the experience of the absolute. Pale as a dream is to the material world.

[Malekakisioannis]

@Davino why do i have to take imaginary substances and do imaginary practices? How do i become conscious of it NOW? How do i end the bullshot NOW?

[Leo Gura]

The material world is the absolute. The absolute is the dream.

[Malekakisioannis]

@shree "person who has experienced" is completely antithetical to dream characters telling me stuff.

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura i want to forget that i am in the forgotten state. 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Malekakisioannis

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Davino why do i have to take imaginary substances and do imaginary practices? How do i become conscious of it NOW? How do i end the bullshot NOW?

You don't control the dream. You are stuck in the dream. So you gotta play by its rules.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Leo Gura i want to forget that i am in the forgotten state.

That is easy, just go about human business. Have some kids, start a business, watch some TV, etc.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Leo Gura

[shree]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The material world is the absolute. The absolute is the dream.

You cannot know that unless you have experienced the infinity. That is my point.

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura once the virus is inside you cannot forget. I am infinitely intelligent, it should be easier. I have already done it once maybe i can do it again. 

[Leo Gura]

@Malekakisioannis Stop torturing yourself. If you want truth pursue it joyfully, and if not then pursue other things. But don't relate to truth in a tortured way.

Truth is a beautiful thing. Whatever is true is good, and that's all there is to it. Adding drama to it is unneeded.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura thank you self.

[Davino]

@Malekakisioannis ground yourself. If you want to access higher states of consciousness your mind needs to be more stable and cohesive.

No drama, just do the work whole mindedly and with your heart on the left hand.

[Malekakisioannis]

@Davino there is no ground in infinity. Drama is the only game in town. Higher and lower are dualities. Cohesion and stability are imaginary. There is no work in eternity. I am the only authority. Basic stuff.  I will prefer silence. No disrespect self.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Malekakisioannis

[Davino]

@Malekakisioannis Infinity is it's own groundless ground. It is self grounded, it's like sitting in itself in a strange loop fashion. A Tautology.

Nevertheless, you have good intellectual understanding of the matter at least. The point is you are shaking internally when you communicate. It's clear to see. Your denial of it is an ego contraction. A requisite for higher consciousness is a stable mind, otherwise you spiral out of control, which you seem prone to given what I'm sensing. The bottleneck that you are facing, because I've been exactly where you are, is Stability.

A universal, open, all Embracing, crystalline, expanded Wide Awake Consciousness.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Davino