Trad-Wife Movement (Ideology or a Necessary Positive Move)

[Lyubov]

I’ve notice on my social media there is sort of a red pill equivalent for women where it’s all about getting a “high value” man and having him pay for everything. Most of the content seems to be coming out of Miami or Dubai. Women giving advice to women how they are the prize. Sometimes women as old as 30 who slept with everyone giving the advice. It’s really weird. 

[integral]

Feminism is not a new concept, the human race has a history of climbing the developmental ladder up to green and then crashing back down to lower stages over and over again in a cycle. For thousands of years. But I predict it will be different this time because we have a different social structure like the Internet and technology.

We need yellow relationships and higher not rejecting green values then coming back down to blue Values.

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Edited June 18 by integral

[aurum]

6 hours ago, ZenAlex said:

But I disagree you making it out to be a problem with men, because there are a lot of women that abuse their spouse, children and others in their care also. 

I made it about men for the purposes of historical accuracy.

We’ve have several thousand years of patriarchy, not matriarchy. This is a dramatic historical asymmetry.

Obviously all genders are capable of potentially abusing power or being abused by it. But just saying that doesn’t accurately reflect why feminism became popular.

6 hours ago, ZenAlex said:

I don't believe either gender is more evil than the other, one simply has had more power. 

Males and females are just are capable as each other of being corrupt. 

I took a quick look through the research that has been done on this question with GPT and it seems to mostly suggest you are correct. The asymmetries that do exist are related to sexual harassment, intimate partner violence and the ways in which power is accumulated / abused.

At the same time, I think it’s an important question to ask ourselves why we’ve had thousands of years of patriarchy and not matriarchy. Why did society shake out that way? Was it just random? Or are there some real differences here in terms of men and women’s desire to hold power?

On this question, the research seems to suggest an asymmetry with men desiring more power than women. If this is the case, then it would be wise for men to more strongly examine their relationship with power.

The more you want power, the more you need to be aware of its ability to corrupt you. Otherwise you are dangerous.

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I’ve notice on my social media there is sort of a red pill equivalent for women where it’s all about getting a “high value” man and having him pay for everything. Most of the content seems to be coming out of Miami or Dubai. Women giving advice to women how they are the prize. Sometimes women as old as 30 who slept with everyone giving the advice. It’s really weird. 

You get this stuff due to your followings and Social media interactions. For me everytime I see low-level BS on my instagram I hit the button "see less of this" or irrevelant or if is super crazy or even sexual I hit the the denouce button. I follow just influencers that are suficiently alligned with high values and truth, and once I discover some shady aspect I unfollow with not think twice. Sometimes I rethink and start following again if the person proved add value. 

So if you get BS on your feed, you probably are feeding it.

[Rafael Thundercat]

3 hours ago, aurum said:

The more you want power, the more you need to be aware of its ability to corrupt you. Otherwise you are dangerous.

We exist today because a lot of our ancestors had killed some other ancestors. Well, we cant exactly call them other ancestor cause as they were killed they didnt let decendents. We are from a bloodline of killers. Of course some inner colaboration with the inner circle but a lot of killing of others. Think Gengis Khan, hoe many descend just from him. 

And tell me in history how many wars was fougth exclusively by woman? 

Our present confort was built with tears and blood, some joy here or there but a lot of suffering too. Not guessing, just pure History.

[aurum]

44 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

We exist today because a lot of our ancestors had killed some other ancestors. Well, we cant exactly call them other ancestor cause as they were killed they didnt let decendents. We are from a bloodline of killers. Of course some inner colaboration with the inner circle but a lot of killing of others. Think Gengis Khan, hoe many descend just from him. 

And tell me in history how many wars was fougth exclusively by woman? 

Our present confort was built with tears and blood, some joy here or there but a lot of suffering too. Not guessing, just pure History.

Not sure if you’re disagreeing with me or just adding on.

Yes everything you wrote here is correct.

[Rafael Thundercat]

@aurum Just add on.. By heritage we all look for power, can corrupt or not, but if you dont look for a bit of power you dont survive so long in the midde of this Chimps. Even a little child have a moment she will shout!! Nooo!! Noo!! or will learn how to get what she need by sneaky ways. 

[aurum]

46 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

@aurum Just add on.. By heritage we all look for power, can corrupt or not, but if you dont look for a bit of power you dont survive so long in the midde of this Chimps. Even a little child have a moment she will shout!! Nooo!! Noo!! or will learn how to get what she need by sneaky ways. 

For sure.

The issue is not necessarily having power itself. As you pointed out, all living things need some power.

It’s more about distribution, imbalances, self-entrenchment and whether or not you excessively seek to remove power from others for your own gain.

[Rafael Thundercat]

11 hours ago, LifeIsObviouslyALie said:

the movement sounds to me just as another panic story of faith. 

Yes this is my sense too. If someone is attached by a worldview and life style he or she or them dont want to see this way vanish so they can use every thing possible to make the worldview or lifestyle "Survive" . WorldViews survive via the Hosts of it. Fundamentalist Ideias would not survive without the Hosts for it. I am using the teory of Memes here. Genes and Memes. So I see Trad as a meme that survive via the Hosts and aim to spread for others via Influence.

[Rafael Thundercat]

28 minutes ago, LifeIsObviouslyALie said:

a global blue, as there is a term (I don't recall) for global blue level.

For me the word is simply "Decorum or Decence

• Decence refers to the quality of being morally upright, respectful, and considerate. It encompasses behaving in a way that aligns with societal norms and values, treating others with kindness, and avoiding offensive or harmful actions. In essence, practicing decency contributes to a harmonious and respectful environment for everyone.
• Decorum refers to the behavior or conduct that is considered appropriate, polite, and respectful in a particular social context. It encompasses manners, etiquette, and adherence to social norms. Practicing decorum helps maintain harmonious interactions and fosters positive relationships

Maybe this are two of the qualities "some" Blue, offer. I say some because I ready saw some evengelicals that are not like that in some ways and saw some hippies being a lot like that and vice versa.. some hippies I meet seems like lost a part of their brains and cant even undestand things like washing your dishes after using it, or basic Higiene..

Is a nuanced thing because I feel is not even about being Blue, Green, Orange, is a sort of upbringing.. Recdently I was in Brasil, and to be true I felt much more consciousness from simple people in a village, including the Evangelical ones than from the so called concious ayahusca people that claim they are doing "The Work".  Some times spirituality no matter what type "Blue, Green..) can become a fantasy to hide unhealed aspects of the soul. The question we can make if we feel this in us or in others are : A I USING THIS AS WAY TO HIDE SOMETHING IN ME??

In the case of trads: Why I am making this Trad Vids?? What do I want to acomplish with this?

To assume there is no agenda or intention behind is pure naiivety.  All is done with a particular intention behind it. Leo Videos, My Posts, your posts etc.. It can be an unconscious reason or conscious, but is there.. If one look deeply the intention is there 

And the work or part of the work at least for me it to shed ligth in all that is unconscious and bring it to cosnciouness

 

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

On 2024-06-18 at 1:08 AM, aurum said:

We have TRIED these kind of traditional arrangements as a society already.

The result is that women have little to no power in the relationship and often end up being abused.

This is a large reason why we had feminism. Women needed to be more independent in order to avoid these kind of situations. Because unfortunately men could just not be trusted to not abuse their power.

In addition, we want to make sure we do not discount the gifts that women can genuniely bring to the workplace and positions of power. We are in a modern society that needs intelligence, empathy and other forms of pro-social behavior, not just brute manliness. 

If women truly want to be in a more traditional role, that's ultimately their choice. It can work for some people. But with millions of different women in society, many will not fix into that box. And it's a mistake to try and force them.

   I partly agree here, those in stage blue values of Spiral Dynamics stages of development, stage blues are great at exclusion of those that don't fit their culture or their values. Stage greens and oranges are actually a bit more inclusive, greens more than oranges, but blues can't be that inclusive. In fact most of history most conflicts come from excess stage blue, not so much stage reds.

[Schizophonia]

All of this is essentially aesthetic posture.

[Rafael Thundercat]

22 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

All of this is essentially aesthetic posture.

What do you mean?? 

[Lyubov]

On 6/18/2024 at 5:48 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

You get this stuff due to your followings and Social media interactions. For me everytime I see low-level BS on my instagram I hit the button "see less of this" or irrevelant or if is super crazy or even sexual I hit the the denouce button. I follow just influencers that are suficiently alligned with high values and truth, and once I discover some shady aspect I unfollow with not think twice. Sometimes I rethink and start following again if the person proved add value. 

So if you get BS on your feed, you probably are feeding it.

Yeah probably, I’ve been wanting to clean up my algorithm.