A Theory on Leo’s Consciousness Exploring

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

but I think the point of the four imponderables was that they simply can't be understood conceptually, and to continue to try would be a fruitless exercise that will never lead to a satisfactory result

Masters need always warn the students about the Traps in the Path, traps they found in their own way to Jailbreak their minds. Conceptualization for sure in a big trap

[Hojo]

When I saw God I saw there was two distinct things one was the non dual reality that was light and then there was God and God was something else. It was behind non duality separate from it. The definition of God is there is something more than that you experience or no - that, no thing, more, infinity. If you put non duality in front of you theres something else there meaning non duality isnt the truth but its a way to look at the truth.

Gods not non duality its more than that its not solipsism its more than that its not everyone being one theres more ! Imagine God was more the expanding of the universe than the universe itself.

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[UnbornTao]

15 hours ago, Water by the River said:

I know you are not sure about that my friend. How could you? We have not met beyond exchanging mere written words.

How one uses language reflects the distinctions that one employs and where one is coming from. Neither have we met Ramana, etc.

About "this and that", it wouldn't be a problem if we weren't talking about the absolute. 

Take care not to cause diabetes with your "water."  

Edited June 16 by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

Basically, I created Leo 

[aurum]

On 6/15/2024 at 8:47 AM, BlessedLion said:

So let’s appreciate Leo’s exploration and bear the fruits of his insights rather than throw tomatoes at him. 

From what I understand of Leo's latest insights, he suggests that they invalidate much of the standard non duality paradigm. Much in the same way science invalidates certain Creationist ideas.

Therefore expecting everyone to play nice is not going to happen.

There is a fundamental disagreement that needs to be worked out. We can keep it civil and engage in basic respect, but probably some tomatoes will be thrown.

 

Edited June 16 by aurum
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[Yimpa]

God teaching God what is God

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

God teaching God what is God

It's so bizarre that this is what's apparently happening forever.

[Davino]

15 hours ago, Yimpa said:

God teaching God what is God

💯

[BlessedLion]

This is exactly the type of conversation I was hoping to spark with this post. Thanks guys. 
 

Selling hyenas by the Lions Den 

[BlessedLion]

19 hours ago, Water by the River said:

And that is shockingly impersonal

I would say it’s infinitely impersonal. It’s so impersonal that it’s literally nothing

[gettoefl]

in acim, they say you bring illusion to truth you can't bring truth to illusion because truth can only love truth

so how do you bring illusion to truth, well first off, you stop thinking that it meaningful to understand it since it is an impossibility

have fun with it and enjoy life sure but realize illusion is smoke and mirrors

just do what you came here to do, bring the illusion to truth so you exit the whole silly game you have been messing with since time began

[Breakingthewall]

23 hours ago, Osaid said:

Pizza, basketball, and philosophy ARE consciousness. The entirety of life is consciousness exploring itself

This is said a lot in spirituality, even Leo says it, and I think it is a complete mistake. reality is absolute infinity, not consciousness. Absolute infinity is self-conscious since if it were not, it would not be infinite. Just as it is infinitely intelligent, it is infinitely conscious. The forms that the infinite takes are conscious of themselves as forms, but their essence, what they are, is the absolute infinite, which is much more than consciousness: it is everything. So, non-duality, as Leo mentions, is limited, but enlightenment is not limited, it is total. The opening of your being to its essence, total infinity, is everything.

But many say: it's a subtle change of angle. No, this is an absolute lie. Enlightenment is Open yourself to the divine light of the sacred infinity . It's a wild smile, is a laugh that comes from an abiss without bottom. Is the wild, absolute, unimaginable, freedom of the absolute. It's total. Its A shit than nobody else see it. All the humans should have this openess, then all would be brothers. 

Edited June 16 by Breakingthewall

[emil1234]

@Breakingthewall i agree with this. reality is infinite potential, and consciousnes is just part of that potential. but everything that can be has to be conceived by consciousness, to quote leo, so in that sense reality is consciousness

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

@Breakingthewall i agree with this. reality is infinite potential, and consciousnes is just part of that potential. but everything that can be has to be conceived by consciousness, to quote leo, so in that sense reality is consciousness

The thing is to be it. It's brutal. Knowing that it is infinite is good, being absolutely open to it is enlightenment. It's more than the gurus say, it's the total depth, and yes, you are alone there, when the self come back. 

Edited June 16 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

I've had two puffs of weed and I'm in a park and suddenly reality has opened up. The absolute is terrifying because it is absolute, from outside your whole body trembles, it is infinite loneliness. it is awful. but from within, it is a laughter that springs from the unfathomable abyss, which expands infinitely and you are that. without feeling your substance, the opening is total horror, you can't imagine. You are absolutely alone, absolutely unlimited, absolutely undefined. It's 1000 times worse than death. Face this is extremely challenging. If your substance opens, it is total glory. It's the absolute flow, the absolute love, the absolute beauty that springs from the infinite source of the infinite, clear as a diamond, without stain, full of glorious existence . That is enlightenment? it's something that can burn. 

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[Breakingthewall]

Btw I have had another opening, but to the void, the absolute loneliness of the infinite void. party. It's absolutely terrifying. There is nothing left of you, you are the infinite void, the dark face of enlightenment that produces infinite sadness in me. When I wrote the above, I had just felt infinite joy. I was at home and my house was glory. but later, the glory closed, and I was the immeasurable void. I was that. No one observed it but I mixed with the emptiness, the absolute zero of infinite depth. It's unimaginable, as before with the glory, and if before tears of joy flowed, now they are of sadness and loneliness. The thing is that are absolutely the same. It's something to get crazy , impossible to understand . Nobody, in the earth, will understand me. I'm absolutely alone as a human, except for the language of love. 

Edited June 16 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Then I realized: reality is love. The openness between two humans, the flow that exists between two people who are truly open to each other without reservation, is simply the substance of reality, that could defined to as everything, so love is everything, complete reality, infinite absolute emptiness is absolute love. Emptiness=love, because has no limits. That's the logic of the equation. It is an infinite ocean of love. then, the tears are again of joy. Luckily there is this forum to tell these stories, because anyone who tells it would think I have a psychosis 😅😅

Edited June 16 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Then I have said myself: forget your human misery, throw it away like an old skin, take off that burden as if it were a paper suit, and shine in the pure light of living reality. be complete in yourself. Open your being completely to the world since the world is you. all the fear, the sadness, the imperfection, the narcissism....what is that? that does not exist, it is a psychological addiction called lie. The lie is fear and makes you shrink. Be the total truth.

[Osaid]

20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Btw I have had another opening, but to the void, the absolute loneliness of the infinite void. party. It's absolutely terrifying. There is nothing left of you, you are the infinite void, the dark face of enlightenment that produces infinite sadness in me. When I wrote the above, I had just felt infinite joy. I was at home and my house was glory. but later, the glory closed, and I was the immeasurable void. I was that. No one observed it but I mixed with the emptiness, the absolute zero of infinite depth. It's unimaginable, as before with the glory, and if before tears of joy flowed, now they are of sadness and loneliness. The thing is that are absolutely the same. It's something to get crazy , impossible to understand . Nobody, in the earth, will understand me. I'm absolutely alone as a human, except for the language of love. 

Understanding? Human? Terror? Alone? That doesn't sound like actual nothing. Those require you to be things. All "things" are psychological relative divisions you make in your mind, but they are never seen or experienced in actuality. When you do away with every single possible relative notion, you are left at no things, in other words, you are left at one occurrence which is just reality as you are. 

The desire for someone to understand you is the misunderstanding; it is duality. You are occurring in unison with them, there is no separation. You ARE perfect understanding because you are always what is occurring now, alongside everyone else. How could now misunderstand now? That is the misunderstanding! Misunderstanding requires you to separate part of yourself. You are unified as one occurrence with everything. 

Love is perfect unity. Love is including everyone and everything in yourself, without fear of being separate from them, without any insecurity; without any psychological division.

There aren't people who can misunderstand you, there is not a single part of existence which can misunderstand you because you ARE existence, it is a false mental division. There are just thoughts about people.

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then I realized: reality is love. The openness between two humans, the flow that exists between two people who are truly open to each other without reservation, is simply the substance of reality, that could defined to as everything, so love is everything, complete reality, infinite absolute emptiness is absolute love. Emptiness=love, because has no limits. That's the logic of the equation. It is an infinite ocean of love. then, the tears are again of joy. Luckily there is this forum to tell these stories, because anyone who tells it would think I have a psychosis 😅😅

❤️🎯❤️🎯❤️🎯

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Osaid said:

That doesn't sound like actual nothing.

 

5 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Understanding? Human? Terror? Alone? That doesn't sound like actual nothing. Those require you to be things. All "things" are psychological relative divisions you make in your mind, but they are never seen or experienced in actuality. When you do away with every single possible relative notion, you are left at no things, in other words, you are left at one occurrence which is just reality as you are. 

Look, the absolute openess to the emptiness is an energetic happening. It's not something that you realized, it's something that opens in you, that changes your pattern of existence and erases everything. It's something that frozen your blood in your veins.