The Myth Of Left & Right - Study of Spectrum -

[Rafael Thundercat]

I loved this Blog post.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-myth-of-left-and-right 

One question that I had in the past was " How to know where in the Spectum I am " or now knowing that the specturm is more flexible than we imagined to be  the question Now  would be " How to know in that level of the specturm I am in this moment?"

I remember no long ago, that I was myself more in  the Conservative side of Specturm . I remember a prevoius me being very against many of the Liberal Ideias, I was  a sort of Jordan Perterson Minion, Following Red Pill youtubers, a youtuber called Sargon of Akkad and even Ben Shappiro. I remember I was always Moralizing a lot my family, worried about the degeneration I could see in my brother smoking weed and one of my sisters being leaded to the "Wrong Path" by one of her friends a girl called Lisa ( Lisa today have a Onlyfan Account ) for me there was to much Chaos around and lack of Order and Acountabillity. And at same time I was not able to see that I was also very Dubious and Double Standard in many micro situations. Maybe a shadow of the Conservators, to see all the Darkness in the World and forget a lot of the Dark inside themselfs. Later on I became more receptive and loving, not full Hippie but more Feminine, I could care less what people do with their lifes. Till one day I start to have problems with Hippies with no Boudaries so I was forced to learn Boudaries again. 

But in the end today my Sister is married with a beautifull girl baby and a normal family life, my Brother left many of his weed friends and is becoming more Sane and less interested in Crazy Life in Pubs and so fort. Some people Who I had problems with ended up naturaly paying for their choices. Not from a move from my part or Revange but just Natural Law happening. But in general I question myself what was the Value of many of the Fuzz I Did about many times I was such a Controler of Things or also from the Other side ,How much I had suffered by Letting Go of some amount of Control. 

So in some sense I became more Liberal with a police of "Live and Let people Live" ..... But... hehe I still see the value of good dicipline, Morals, Ethos and  Principles, because if we going to Live and Let people live whatever they want we need to compromise with stuff that may be deterimental for our progress and others. 

 For example, now a new Law in Brasil about Abortion where Abortion will be equated with Homicid, so a woman can get aroung 20 year in Prison. Link Below in Portuguese but I translated below the link 

https://revistamarieclaire.globo.com/direitos-reprodutivos/noticia/2024/06/quem-sao-as-deputadas-mulheres-que-apoiam-pl-1094-que-equipara-aborto-a-homicidio.ghtml

"Who are the female deputies who support the bill that equates abortion to homicide?"

"Of the 32 federal deputies who signed the bill, 11 are women. Carla Zambelli, Bia Kicis, Coronel Fernanda, and Lêda Borges are among them."

"The Chamber of Deputies approved last Wednesday (12) the urgency request for the processing of bill No. 1,094/24, which seeks to equate abortion after the 22nd week to the crime of simple homicide. If approved, the penalty for those who perform it, whether in legal cases or not, can range from six to 20 years in prison."

From another source :

"The Chamber of Deputies may vote in the coming days on the bill (PL) that equates the penalties for abortion performed after 22 weeks of gestation with those for simple homicide — up to 20 years in prison. PL 1,904/2024 also stipulates that even in cases of pregnancy resulting from rape, intentional termination after this period will not be allowed.

Today, the Brazilian Penal Code stipulates that women who induce their own abortion or consent to someone else doing it can be sentenced to 1 to 3 years in prison. The legislation also permits the procedure in three situations: pregnancy resulting from sexual violence, risk to the woman's life, and fetal anencephaly."

https://diariodonordeste.verdesmares.com.br/pontopoder/pl-1904-entenda-proposta-que-equipara-aborto-apos-22-semana-a-homicidio-e-sera-votada-na-camara-1.3522289

The problem is that in Brasil there a lot of cases where girls from 8 to 14 years old get pregnant in Brasil. We all know that Povery, some Cultural aspects  and the Insaciable Libido of Men are behind this.  But in this case this girls will not be able to take out a child that was created via Rape. 

So is very complex. In this situation the Law is trying to Stop one bad thing to happen but forgeting the Nuance of Human Behavior 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8MlwVku5qJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

But my main point with this writing is :  There is a way to built a Assertive Political Spectrum Test that comprise all we know about Spectrum?

I did a test on the famous Political Compass once. But I feel this Compass still lacks Nuance.

What is we could use AI and group intelligence to craft a better Compass more assertive and flexible so we could not only find where we and others stand but how the compass moves as society change?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Here is where I stand after answering the test : . But I still think this Compass could be improved or even use another way to set the way a person orients himself in the world. Maybe a Compass Test Based on Bias instead of those ramdom questions

 

 

Edited June 15 by Rafael Thundercat

[Rafael Thundercat]

The Book Quotet in the Minute 28:12 of the Video must be a good Read: 

https://www.amazon.com/Other-Fellow-May-Be-Right/dp/0970128657

 

In the current political and cultural environment, civility is going the way of the dinosaur. Our "leaders" now argue for the sake of argument, accuse for the sake of advantage, and seek to demonize those with opposing points of view. Consequently, public governance has become dysfunctional. But there was a time when civility and collegiality and teamwork were cherished American values. There was a time when leaders from opposing political parties were actually friends and tried without compromising their principles to work together in a bipartisan effort to promote the general welfare. One of the greatest exemplars of this civility was a United States Senator from Tennessee. For over forty years, he was a leader in the most contentious arenas in American life: courtrooms, political campaigns, the halls of Congress, and the White House. In all of these venues, he practiced the art of strategic civility that brought adversaries together, finding agreement often to their surprise. The Senator was Howard H. Baker, Jr. of Tennessee, and to this day, he remains a role model of what strategic civility can accomplish. This book is the story of his civil life.

Edited June 15 by Rafael Thundercat

[ryandesreu]

I like the idea of not labeling topics as right-wing or left-wing and seeing each topic independently. I think that seeing each topic independently without labeling could also be helpful in other domains, e.g., spirituality and philosophy.

Almost every person who I have talked with about politics has not fit into a box of left or right. I think that the media mostly feeds this left right box.

"Liberal minds are more open and conservative minds are more closed.""It doesn't matter what you're closedminded about, the issue is that you're closedminded and that you could be openminded instead and vice versa. "

[Rafael Thundercat]

Nice Research on this :

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat  Considering that left/right political spectrum is a myth makes sense if you claim that it never existed before the French revolution, as that time it was invented, the left being the side of revolution, the right the cornered French monarchy, and the middle being empty. 

   But are you claiming that because it's a myth that we should do away with that political compass and spectrum? That it doesn't have a use?

[Rafael Thundercat]

10 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

But are you claiming that because it's a myth that we should do away with that political compass and spectrum? That it doesn't have a use?

improved, give more assertivity to it 

[Rafael Thundercat]

What about this guys. They are Blue with a touch of Orange and preach against the Woke Christinanity. Jesus save the world, this will become a crazy pizza

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4xU5X3vwcD/?igsh=MWtiZXg2a3AxNXQweA==

[mrPixel]

Left and right are concepts. They have no basis in reality. Left vs. right is a result of group think. Adding to what @ryandesreu said, people don't think critically and are therefore unable to make informed decisions about each issue independently.

They key is to get clear on one's values and then it's easy to know what your stance is on each issue. I value love, kindness, equality, and truth so I let that be my compass. I believe my values are more aligned with the left's, but there are some total nutcases on that end of the spectrum. The right has completely lost touch with reality so I find it difficult to agree with anything that is happening over there.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, mrPixel said:

Left and right are concepts. They have no basis in reality. Left vs. right is a result of group think. Adding to what @ryandesreu said, people don't think critically and are therefore unable to make informed decisions about each issue independently.

They key is to get clear on one's values and then it's easy to know what your stance is on each issue. I value love, kindness, equality, and truth so I let that be my compass. I believe my values are more aligned with the left's, but there are some total nutcases on that end of the spectrum. The right has completely lost touch with reality so I find it difficult to agree with anything that is happening over there.

Even if we agree that something is just concepts it dont mean that concepts cant have impact in reality. Physicality have no basis in reality and still the concept of things being physical have fundamental impact in everything we deal with. We can see this things from a pixel POV but if we go deep the reality have much more high resolution. Pun Intended here 

[mrPixel]

Yeah, the impact is more group think and culture wars.