I Was Wrong About Meditation

[r0ckyreed]

I realized I was wrong about my pessimism against meditation. I still think some of my points are valid, but dismissing meditation as a whole is incorrect. I realized that meditation is about connecting to Absolute Happiness, Beauty, Intelligence, and Solipsism. Meditation done briefly every day is valuable to connect with Absolute Happiness. I have cried of tears and hugged trees from my meditation practice. It is such an amazing experience. I realize meditation isn’t as one sided as I thought it was. Even contemplation is a form of meditation. But I think it is useful to quiet the intellect every once in a while to be fully present to Absolute Happiness. The issue is only going for Absolute Happiness/Beauty through meditation and dismissing contemplation as a path to Absolute Intelligence.

For me, meditation is about connecting to the Divine and becoming conscious of the Universe. Silencing the mind is only one narrow way of doing that and it can be helpful. But I think contemplation and meditation need to be combined to be effective. We need to both quietly observe and deliberately think/reflect. 

Both practices together have produced my Enlightenment.

Just thought I’d share my insight into the value of meditation in conjunction with contemplation. There honestly really isn’t anything different about these practices. Meditation should be about increasing consciousness of the Divine and using and silencing the mind are both paths that need to be pursued. Just doing one or the other will breed an incomplete enlightenment.

Edited June 12 by r0ckyreed

[gettoefl]

good job ... for me meditation is how to bring the real me to the surface and keep it there ... the real me is a vehicle god uses to speak, see and listen

[Princess Arabia]

Nothing wrong with meditation. It's a beautiful thing. It's just not getting you closer to where you already are and what already is. Any differences one feels is only an appearance and a sensation, which can be very useful within the dream.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Meditation affects various people differently, which is why I never liked it when Leo calls it bullshit. There are people in this forum who found God realization through Meditation.

[Breakingthewall]

Meditation is essential and is the key to real spirituality. You have to reach a point where after two minutes your mind is completely silenced in terms of learned mental noise, words, meaning. That's when you start looking, or waiting ,for the opening. Without words there is still intention ,self, self-awareness. reality becomes fluid and you have to be patient and flow as long as you can, then it may happen that the absolute reveals itself, sees itself for what it is. It is simple, since you really are the absolute, it is a matter of perceiving yourself without barriers, without veils.

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Meditation is essential and is the key to real spirituality. You have to reach a point where after two minutes your mind is completely silenced in terms of learned mental noise, words, meaning. That's when you start looking, or waiting ,for the opening. Without words there is still intention ,self, self-awareness. reality becomes fluid and you have to be patient and flow as long as you can, then it may happen that the absolute reveals itself, sees itself for what it is. It is simple, since you really are the absolute, it is a matter of perceiving yourself without barriers, without veils.

 How can the Absolute perceive itself. The Absolute is everything and nothing simultaneously. The Absolute is unknowable. It is in everything. It's right here right now. The barriers is the Absolute, the veils is the Absolute. EVERYTHING IS THE ABSOLUTE. 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 How can the Absolute perceive itself. The Absolute is everything and nothing simultaneously. The Absolute is unknowable. It is in everything. It's right here right now. The barriers is the Absolute, the veils is the Absolute. EVERYTHING IS THE ABSOLUTE. 

Yes, that's a mental understanding about the absolute, but the "difficult" thing is the direct perception of the absolute from itself, without the distraction of the form.

For example, ok, everything is the absolute, If your one-year-old son is being tortured in front of you, that is also the absolute, but you (the absolute) only perceive it as that circumstance, then you will be lost in the form, like everyone else all the time. 

Edited June 13 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, that's a mental understanding about the absolute, but the "difficult" thing is the direct perception of the absolute from itself, without the distraction of the form.

For example, ok, everything is the absolute, If your one-year-old son is being tortured in front of you, that is also the absolute, but you (the absolute) only perceive it as that circumstance, then you will be lost in the form, like everyone else all the time. 

for perception to become vision needs a whoops then a wow-omg ... the whoops is forgiveness which is correcting yourself for looking at the unreal and taking it as real, then the wow is healing which is to look a bit deeper

the tree in front of you isn't a tree, it need be seen as nothing but then looked at deeper and beheld

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

for perception to become vision needs a whoops then a wow-omg ... the whoops is forgiveness which is correcting yourself for looking at the unreal and taking it as real, then the wow is healing which is to look a bit deeper

the tree in front of you isn't a tree, it need be seen as nothing but then looked at deeper and beheld

It is a matter of dissolving all the natural resistances of the mind, such as the need to see or understand, also fear, the need for control, the need to analyze, the need to see yourself as "something", the need to see the absolute....etc. in short, dissolve all identifications.

It is something that has been known for thousands of years, it is very simple, there is nothing sophisticated about it. But it's very difficult. It's like jumping 8 m. It's simple, but difficult. Any mistake, and you would jump less, and the absolute is 8, less is relative. 7,90 is relative. But if you do, it's simple, just a jump. 

Edited June 13 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It is a matter of dissolving all the natural resistances of the mind, such as the need to see or understand, also fear, the need for control, the need to analyze, the need to see yourself as "something", the need to see the absolute....etc. in short, dissolve all identifications.

It is something that has been known for thousands of years, it is very simple, there is nothing sophisticated about it. But it's very difficult. It's like jumping 8 m. It's simple, but difficult. Any mistake, and you would jump less, and the absolute is 8, less is relative. 7,90 is relative. But if you do, it's simple, just a jump. 

yea simple but not easy, "you" needs to get out of the way, agree with what you said

[Breakingthewall]

The problem with meditation is that before a certain change in frequency, it is basically a torture, a very unpleasant effort that hardly produces results other than by pure willpower.

I believe that at that stage it is better to focus on psychedelics and contemplation, meditation will come in due course. When you are ready, meditation is easy, natural, if you do not meditate more it is due to lack of time, but most of your free time is dedicated to meditating, since it is something more pleasant than watching any movie, reading any novel, etc

[Princess Arabia]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, that's a mental understanding about the absolute, but the "difficult" thing is the direct perception of the absolute from itself, without the distraction of the form.

For example, ok, everything is the absolute, If your one-year-old son is being tortured in front of you, that is also the absolute, but you (the absolute) only perceive it as that circumstance, then you will be lost in the form, like everyone else all the time. 

Ok. Perfect. Now what. Getting lost is ok. 

[VictorB02]

 

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem with meditation is that before a certain change in frequency, it is basically a torture, a very unpleasant effort that hardly produces results other than by pure willpower.

I believe that at that stage it is better to focus on psychedelics and contemplation, meditation will come in due course. When you are ready, meditation is easy, natural, if you do not meditate more it is due to lack of time, but most of your free time is dedicated to meditating, since it is something more pleasant than watching any movie, reading any novel, etc

This is how it is for me now, used to be so hard and difficult and grindy, now 20 minutes of meditation (do nothing technique) and I can literally feel - physically feel -  my mind rewiring and raising in consciousness effortlessly. Insights and creative ideas flood my mind space. It's like a mini mushroom trip each time I sit.

Idk what shifted in the past few years for me but I am beyond grateful after hearing so many here say it doesn't work for them. It may just depend on your genetics and your unique dispositions as Leo alluded to in his recent vids. I have been practicing for a while now though so maybe it's just that raw practice time as well. 

Edited June 14 by VictorB02