Leo's deleted video on solipsism

[zurew]

13 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

but can help "others" when they realize the same thing

"let me help out these non-existent dream characters"

56 minutes ago, Davino said:

I really hope one day Solipsistic Consciousness hits you like a truck and then you won't ask if it's true or not but you will say please help me to integrate it, all what I loved and thought real is no more and I'm losing my mind.

I cannot not point out the absurdity again. "After you realize solipsism is an absolute truth, you will hit up the non-existent dream characters to help you out"

[Nemra]

@Ishanga

Think about why you can't go deep.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Ok, lets bring the issue to the ground level a bit. Not imaginary abstractions of infinity and all. yes we can go to see a nigth sky and see the imensitude of space and realise it dont limits itself to anything at all, is boundless and include all bounds in it. Sometimes the question for me is not to Imagine what infinity is but to understand on How such Infinity can reduce itself into something finite as for example a Man in a fast-food eating a very greasy burger. I did a image to help.

Meditate on this next time you go to eat out. Find the Most horrendous scene of Glutonary and try to realise How can that too, be infinite reduced to form? And of course is moving is a process, since the man eating the burger is not static, all his being is a constant flux of inner operations, all to keep that creature alive. eating, drinking, shiting and doing all he do, infiniti reduced to a life that can go on till a limit of 40,50,70,80 years, well maybe not so long to that guy but still a short time inside infinity.

 

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Ishanga

Think about why you can't go deep.

I think about this all the time lol. and I think I know why but I'll keep that too myself:)

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

18 minutes ago, zurew said:

"After you realize solipsism is an absolute truth, you will hit up the non-existent dream characters to help you out"

I am the only sentient being in existence and all others that I call physical other are not but instantiations inside my self contructed dream and I cant prove the contrary since I am the only one who is dreaming this since I had awarness of it, and at same time I reach this fragments of myself for helping me in my evolutionary process that are evolving to embrace all of my self including others, but no matter how much I aim to embrace more there will be more to embrace and at same time is already all self embraced since ever because sense of time is also a contruction to give a sense o a personal story going on.

[Nemra]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I think about this all the time lol. and I think I know why but I'll keep that too myself:)

You answered my question the way you thought it was intended. Think about it.

Edited June 10 by Nemra

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Ok, lets bring the issue to the ground level a bit. Not imaginary abstractions of infinity and all. yes we can go to see a nigth sky and see the imensitude of space and realise it dont limits itself to anything at all, is boundless and include all bounds in it. Sometimes the question for me is not to Imagine what infinity is but to understand on How such Infinity can reduce itself into something finite as for example a Man in a fast-food eating a very greasy burger. I did a image to help.

Meditate on this next time you go to eat out. Find the Most horrendous scene of Glutonary and try to realise How can that too, be infinite reduced to form? And of course is moving is a process, since the man eating the burger is not static, all his being is a constant flux of inner operations, all to keep that creature alive. eating, drinking, shiting and doing all he do, infiniti reduced to a life that can go on till a limit of 40,50,70,80 years, well maybe not so long to that guy but still a short time inside infinity.

 

The problem is I think, is that ppl are looking to Grand, the may have had Grand experiences via Sadhana practices or psychedelics and they cling to it, or something about it doesn't leave their immediate mind consciousness, like an obsession, so they neglect the little things that really make up life, the sun rising, the beauty of the trees and parks, the smile on someones face that is passing by you, this is all nothing compared to the "Grand" Experience.. Its funny, I read what these types say, then they start a thread about having social anxiety and/or addicted to a drug or situation, lol..This is for sure not a stable way to find Reality and Truth imo...

[Rafael Thundercat]

48 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The arrogance around here is getting very apparent lately!!

I am not arrogant, I will need to go cut my hair very soon and go to the dentist, and no amount of thinking about other being me and me being others or any philosopical arrangement I can do will help me to cut my hair by myself or treat my mouth by myself. I can dream all this up at nigth but here I need to accept I need others very much and derealize them calling them NPC´s or dream characters will not help. 

[zurew]

18 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I am the only sentient being in existence

How do you know that for sure?

[Yimpa]

20 minutes ago, zurew said:

How do you know that for sure?

When this question, and all questions, mean absolutely nothing but Love 

Now back to work!

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

How do you know that for sure?

Can you be conscious of others' experiences?

Edited June 10 by Nemra

[Rafael Thundercat]

21 minutes ago, zurew said:

How do you know that for sure?

Men I am in this affirmoation just playing with the Irony that when I affirm or cognize that " I am the only sentient being in existence and all others that I call physical other are not but instantiations inside my self contructed dream"  I  at same time I reach this fragments of myself for helping me in my evolutionary process. If I truly reach the Full solopsitic realization the question is " Who for me to offer help?" Who to me for ask help to?" Who for me to interact,celebrate,eat, make love, reproduce etc...etc...? 

What I want to say is that no matter how you dabble with this topic in the end you must face the Reality of daily mundane life that in fact you feel physcial you feel pain, misery, joy, pleasure, and all that life includes and you will Die with pain or not but as far as you can see around you will Die. And yes, you will Die ALONE, the experience will be full owned by you!! In that moment all the talk will not help and there will be no other to call for help. So way not just enjoy life the way it is ? Call it dream, call it illusion, call it apparent, call it Tao,Oness, Consciousness, Name it , and than Live it. Is that Hard?

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The problem is for Who will you ask for Help in the How to Process and the Integration steps? To Others (Ironic)

It's extremely paradoxical for stream entry Solipsism but no for mature Solipsism. Having said that, it was very hard for me to find the strength to ask for help. I felt stupid but I didn't have any choice either. I couldn't talk to anybody without crying. Stream entry Solipsism takes out something from your soul like no other realization does. It takes away a beautiful lie. 

When Solipsism matures the world shines in another light. Every place and every being is your very own. Solipsism=Infinite_Connection 

 

[zurew]

27 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Can you be conscious of others' experiences?

'To be conscious of' is a loose term, I don't know what it would even mean to become conscious of others' experiences. But notice all of the reasoning is grounded in a skill issue "I can't become conscious of this, therefore it is not true" "I cant doubt this x thing, therefore it is absolutely true".

Why would I project my own epistemic limitations and confuse them with metaphysics? - Cause so far all I have seen is exactly that.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

I cannot not point out the absurdity again. "After you realize solipsism is an absolute truth, you will hit up the non-existent dream characters to help you out"

You will cry for your imaginary mom to come and cuddle you

...

After an epic realization (like Solipsism) your whole worldview suffers a cascading effect that can take up to several months before closing in a strange loop.

 

Edited June 10 by Davino

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

'To be conscious of' is a loose term.

It's not if it's based on direct experience.

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

I don't know what it would even mean to become conscious of others' experiences.

What I meant was that you think I'm having a separate conscious experience outside of your experience.

[zurew]

37 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It's not if it's based on direct experience.

Direct experience is another one that is used loosely and most of the time used like this "something that you can't be wrong about". Its a term that can be weaponized so easily (and is weaponized here imo), because whatever I want to be true I should just put 'direct experience' behind it and I should be free from any criticism.

Imagine giving the exact same semantics to any other label. Logic is "something that you can't be wrong about" - everyone would object to that immediately and for a good reason, but somehow we are making an exception with direct experience.

37 minutes ago, Nemra said:

What I meant was that you think I'm having a separate conscious experience outside of your experience.

And what does that have to do with anything, other than with my own epistemic limitations?

 

Whats the answer to this question? 

57 minutes ago, zurew said:

Why would I project my own epistemic limitations and confuse them with metaphysics?

 

Edited June 10 by zurew

[Rafael Thundercat]

52 minutes ago, Davino said:

Solipsism takes out something from your soul like no other realization does. It takes away a beautiful lie. 

When Solipsism matures the world shines in another light. Every place and every being is your very own. Solipsism=Infinite_Connection 

Sound like a deligthfull nigthmare with happyending. Like having your skin being taken out while you are awake, then being out on a pool of lemon juice but in the end you get a new skin and a ticket to Bali. Lol. Who would accept such offer?

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

You will cry for your imaginary mom to come and cuddle you

Who, me? I am just an imaginary character in your world. How could an imaginary character who is non-existent and who doesn't have a conscious experience could ever become conscious of solipsism?

[Yimpa]

You cannot prove or disprove solipsism… to anyone else.