fear of happiness

[Schizophonia]

You have accepted to eventually debate with me, you are my mirror who have a serious profil picture and play the « workalcoholic », self development persona, something like that.

I would say to this mirror (you) that living like that tend to make you actually look more weak and feminine. In fine to feel happy but also masculin and strong, you have to be more yin, in other world be social, to party, vape, to wear jewellery, to paint, read heroic fantasies books, etcetc, do more the « monkey » lol.

Even meditation btw.

You also have said that you used racetams and tobacoo, but at long term acetylcholine seems pretty bad for mood and even lightly exitotoxic.

Edited June 8 by Schizophonia

[mmKay]

55 minutes ago, jimwell said:

The OP did not imagine the suffering of others. He saw and knew the suffering of others. One of the horrors he saw was probably a Palestinian girl whose skeleton was shattered and powdered by an Israeli bomb, with her mother crying in extreme pain. The OP did not imagine the pain, nor did he speculate whether the mother and the girl actually felt pain. The OP saw and knew the pain, and then felt the pain.

 

This is an absolutely terrible situation, don't get me wrong . Nevertheless what I'm saying is that EVEN THAT you are imagining, not in some mystical magical cloudy way, but literally " feeling others pain" doesn't exist. When you "feel it", it is an emotional reaction caused inside of your body , caused by your mental filter of how you make sense of what you perceive. Therefore it's possible to turn off that ability of " empathy " or imagining others pain if it is causing you harm.

I'm not talking about becoming a psychopath, let's not straw man this. Personally I'm an extreme empath, but suffering when others are suffering is optional.

Understanding this is advanced metaphysics and I don't expect anyone comprehending the insight that easily

 

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

had a problem with not emphasizing that the Oneness-Suffering worldview is valid. Calling it OCD is too simplistic and reductionistic. That is why I started with "This downplays or even invalidates the sense of the Oneness-Suffering worldview." in my last post.

What do you mean with Oneness-Suffering worldview?

[mmKay]

On 8/6/2024 at 4:04 PM, mmKay said:

I have spent my early twenties  deconstructing my motivational systems and have access to  " unconditional happiness " and " bliss on command" states. It's great, but on the other hand this doesn't fit my personallity since im very creative and have yet to establish a fulfilling career as a finantial backbone for my life . I have accidentaly unraveled it at the wrong stage of my life, because I didn't know better . Now I'm spending the second part of my twenties manually reconstructing my reward and motivational mechanisms  from the ground up.

Unconditional happiness to that extreme degree makes you a lazy sloth and ends up backfiring in multiple ways, as you have correctly intuited

Matter of fact, your brain and neuropathways can get rewired to feel good by doing nothing, and when then you try to do something that requieres persistance or effort  you feel resistance and negative emotions ( more than usual ), because it takes you away from doing nothing.

If you're not careful, you can dig yourself into a hole that's hard to climb out of. This is dead serious and unfortunately I was not warned ahead of time 

Edited June 17 by mmKay

[Carl-Richard]

On 7.6.2024 at 11:15 PM, Nilsi said:

the thing is, i'm very much afraid that being happy and getting better will make me less effective, and there are multiple reasons for that. one being that i will likely end up less obsessed with making money and educating myself - two of the biggest levers in building up my agency to do shit in the world. another being that i suspect i won't be able to empathize with all the world's suffering as much and feel less motivated to do something about it.

Your values might change, so you might become less effective in the way you're defining it, but not less empathetic, and certainly not less effective in a more general sense. Whatever you're doing, in my experience, you will unequivocally do it better from a baseline state of happiness. And being happy makes you less self-concerned and more concerned about others in a big way. Frankly, unhappiness is basically synonymous with self-concern.

Edited July 4 by Carl-Richard