is Consciousness an Absolute Only in this Dream?

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Define absolute

Haha.  Define God. Definition is 2nd order. It's held within God.  

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[Loveeee]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Haha.  Define God.

Absolute means without alternative

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

Absolute means without alternative

 

Here we use it as God.  So what does God mean?  Any meaning you want to ascribe to God is what God created.  So you won't get to God by describing God.

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Here we use it as God.  So what does God mean?  Any meaning you want to ascribe to God is what God created.  So you won't get to God by describing God.

My point is, consciousness is absolute it has no opposite or alternative, not even in theory, which answers the topic 

If not consciousness then what ? An objective reality ? A void ? Those are fictions imagined by consciousness and actually impossible, even in theory, they make no sense 

 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

My point is, consciousness is absolute it has no opposite or alternative, not even in theory, which answers the topic 

Excellent.  But what he is saying if this is the case is it only  within the context of our current understanding.  (Within this dream)  Meaning within this framework (this reality) that exists but can there be other frameworks outside of that ?  At least I think that is what he was asking.    It's. Mindfuck for sure but that's why I said there is the set of all sets.  Its the same question really as are we in a simulation.

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[Loveeee]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Excellent.  But what he is saying if this is the case can ia it only  within the context of our current understanding.   Meaning within this framework (this reality) that exists but can there be other frameworks outside of that ?  At least I think that is what he was sking.  

Like I said, if not consciousness then what ?

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Like I said, if not consciousness then what ?

If Consciousness is Infinite than it would have the ability to imagine a reality that was physical without Consciousness being the source   in essence it should be able to negate itself.

 

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[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

What ??

Lol.  Just hear me out.   Its the Infinity of God's premise.  The impossible made possible.   If God is truly infinite then it should be able to spawn a completely isolated reality that was completely objective and physical- not dependent of consciousness.   To me this sounds impossible but of course - If anything is......

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[Loveeee]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If God is truly infinite then it should be able to spawn a completely isolated reality that was completely objective and physical- not dependent of consciousness.  

Where ? Since God is infinite 

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Where ? Since God is infinite 

I dunno.  Nowhere.   Where is this reality?  In the milky way? 😀

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[Rafael Thundercat]

20 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

So while I can't know if the entirety of my idea of reality (including emptiness itself) actually rests inside the butthole of a pink elephant, that doesn't necessarily mean I should entertain that thought very much.

That would be a hell of a trip. I ready saw the Hole but I had no courage to go in with fear of what would wait me in the other side. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, He cannot not be infinite, therefore, he is prisoner of it's nature. It cannot be limited, it cannot not be, it cannot not disintegrate into infinite dimensions in infinite cycles, it is simply a natural phenomenon: reality. inevitable.

The inevitability of Infinitude

[Rafael Thundercat]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, He cannot not be infinite, therefore, he is prisoner of it's nature. It cannot be limited, it cannot not be, it cannot not disintegrate into infinite dimensions in infinite cycles, it is simply a natural phenomenon: reality. inevitable.

I had used AI to generate an image using your words as a prompt. Like this

make a image using this description of God: He cannot not be infinite, therefore, he is prisoner of it's nature. It cannot be limited, it cannot not be, it cannot not disintegrate into infinite dimensions in infinite cycles, it is simply a natural phenomenon: reality. inevitable.

The images it gave it were pretty cool. Here is one: 

 

[Dazgwny]

The answer to this is a resounding NO. Consciousness is the creator of all dreams. Consciousness is all there is

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Dazgwny said:

The answer to this is a resounding NO. Consciousness is the creator of all dreams. Consciousness is all there is

Consciousness is that which is known. But how can you know that which is unknown?

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[zurew]

The best move is to chill the fuck down and to not  chase after 100% epistemic certainty

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[UnbornTao]

Intellectual speculation isn't the same as true questioning. Absolute isn't "lots and lots." Whatever associations your mind makes up in relation to the word "absolute" is just an idea and isn't it; assuming that it is Y or X puts us in the wrong footing.

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[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I had used AI to generate an image using your words as a prompt. Like this

make a image using this description of God: He cannot not be infinite, therefore, he is prisoner of it's nature. It cannot be limited, it cannot not be, it cannot not disintegrate into infinite dimensions in infinite cycles, it is simply a natural phenomenon: reality. inevitable.

The images it gave it were pretty cool. Here is one: 

 

Prisoner of the absolute freedom. Beautiful design. 

[Loveeee]

28 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I dunno.  Nowhere.   Where is this reality?  In the milky way? 😀

The question doesn't apply since this is infinite, there's no alternative. What you mean I dunno ? 😆  

I deleted my "what ??" to rephrase it but you were quicker

You're wrong in so many ways I thought you were better than this 😌

So by that logic you're not even sure of solipsism ?

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

Here ! Now ! 

I deleted my "what ??" to rephrase it but you were quicker

You're wrong in so many ways I thought you were better than this 😌

So by that logic you're not even sure of solipsism ?

Oh come now...I was just posing what ifs haha.. in any reality you would ultimately come to the same conclusion.  Its fun to think about though 🤔

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