Stage Yellow Actors?

[Butters]

Actors are really good at somehow empathizing with an emotion or state that they can emulate and emerge fully in that state of being. With that level of empathy you'd think actors are all Tier 2 but we know that's not the case. But is a stage Yellow actor any different in their craft from Tier 1 actors? 

As students of spiral dynamics we can look at the world and see all these different people and can empathize with their relative stage development. But actors can somehow do the same without fully being Tier 2?

Or are writers and directors more often Yellow so they first understand and then relay that to the actors? 

Not sure if anybody understands my question but hey. 

Edited June 6 by Butters

[enchanted]

Actors are literally playing a part. So they can play a stage yellow character perhaps. But if the audience is stage blue then they won't know if the acting is correct.  It's more likely the script writer is would be stage yellow in that case anyway.  

But I don't think you will get an answer to this since spiral dynamics is complex and watching someone act for a few hours on a movie doesn't give you enough information on who the person is. And I don't think the ability to act automatically puts you in stage yellow as you seem to be suggesting. Acting is a form of deception and any stage can be deceptive. 

Edited June 6 by enchanted

[Butters]

1 minute ago, enchanted said:

Actors are literally playing a part. So they can play a stage yellow character perhaps. But if the audience is stage blue then they won't know if the acting is correct.  It's more likely the script writer is would be stage yellow in that case anyway.  

But I don't think you will get an answer to this since spiral dynamics is complex and watching someone act for a few hours on a movie doesn't give you enough information on who the person is. And I don't think the ability to act automatically puts you in stage yellow as you seek to be suggesting. Acting is a form of deception and any stage can be deceptive. 

Oh great answer, thank you.

[aurum]

@Butters To actually understand from a Tier 2 POV is very different from being able to put on a performance as a character in a show. Acting is not understanding or necessarily integration. Although theoretically if actor were to really do his research on a character being displayed from a specific spiral stage, he might gain some insights into that stage.

[Fountainbleu]

Jared Leto. Not sure if he's yellow (seems at least green for sure) but woke asf. I saw an interview of him on a talk show. He's walking onto the stage and everyone going "crazy" for him and his face was like why you making such a big deal? He seemed to notice he was in the matrix.

I've heard him say he used to hitch hike before fame and take LSD. Not on the same occasions, I think.

[integration journey]

24 minutes ago, Fountainbleu said:

Jared Leto. Not sure if he's yellow (seems at least green for sure) but woke asf. I saw an interview of him on a talk show. He's walking onto the stage and everyone going "crazy" for him and his face was like why you making such a big deal? He seemed to notice he was in the matrix.

I've heard him say he used to hitch hike before fame and take LSD. Not on the same occasions, I think.

Someone also told me he goes  to the same Vipassana meditation retreat I went to. 

[Jannes]

Very interesting question! I have got a few unsorted thoughts on it.

1) Being stage yellow means understanding all the stages below but not falling for them. 

In many movies the people and especially the bad guy are depicted from a stage blue, orange, green perspective. Like the bad guy is just born bad lolz (blue), or other people are just more lazy (orange) or the bad guy is just a power hungry asshole looking for nothing but making money (green). Very partial understanding which demonizes these perspectives. 

So for the role a stage yellow understanding is often not required or even counterproductive imo. 

2) I dont know if it is necessary for the craft of acting itself to have a stage yellow understanding of things. You DO need to find some kind of authentic access to the role. So the question is can you fill out the role so that you get natural impulses and stuff without actually understanding the role or do you have to understand the role. And if the last is true does that mean you are actually at stage yellow or just stage yellow at this particular thing or even not yellow but able to imitate a stage yellow understanding through technique? 

[Fountainbleu]

5 hours ago, Jannes said:

Very interesting question! I have got a few unsorted thoughts on it.

1) Being stage yellow means understanding all the stages below but not falling for them. 

In many movies the people and especially the bad guy are depicted from a stage blue, orange, green perspective. Like the bad guy is just born bad lolz (blue), or other people are just more lazy (orange) or the bad guy is just a power hungry asshole looking for nothing but making money (green). Very partial understanding which demonizes these perspectives. 

So for the role a stage yellow understanding is often not required or even counterproductive imo. 

2) I dont know if it is necessary for the craft of acting itself to have a stage yellow understanding of things. You DO need to find some kind of authentic access to the role. So the question is can you fill out the role so that you get natural impulses and stuff without actually understanding the role or do you have to understand the role. And if the last is true does that mean you are actually at stage yellow or just stage yellow at this particular thing or even not yellow but able to imitate a stage yellow understanding through technique? 

Not to long ago I saw a clip of Marlin Brando in his later years and the person interviewing was a total fangirl. Marlon Brando was like there is no me. Very Self(ish). I got turquoish vibes. You'd have to think someone as brilliantly artistic as him, must be on some levels. Also notice in behind the scenes of him acting, he was always in Silence in between takes. I also heard he didn't socialize with any of the cast or crew during a shoot.

[Jannes]

34 minutes ago, Fountainbleu said:

Not to long ago I saw a clip of Marlin Brando in his later years and the person interviewing was a total fangirl. Marlon Brando was like there is no me. Very Self(ish). I got turquoish vibes. You'd have to think someone as brilliantly artistic as him, must be on some levels. Also notice in behind the scenes of him acting, he was always in Silence in between takes. I also heard he didn't socialize with any of the cast or crew during a shoot.

Interesting would like to see that clip. 

That behavior is quite normal though you really need to built a connection to your role so distraction isnt good. I did a bit of amateur acting myself. 

When I think of actors who got spiritual through their profession I think of Jim Carrey. There is a lot of content of him out there. Once he said that basically after playing a role he wondered who he himself was and then got to the thought that when he can change himself like that maybe he himself is an illusion. And a lot of other spriritual and semi spiritual stuff. 

I wonder if acting itself does anything to that (like is changing your ego all the time a spiritual practice) or if it's just that actors are usually more open minded and when a few of them reach spiritual insights they get a lot of attention. 

Edited September 3 by Jannes

[Fountainbleu]

17 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Interesting would like to see that clip. 

That behavior is quite normal though you really need to find your role. I did a bit of acting myself. 

When I think of actors who got spiritual through their profession I think of Jim Carrey. There is a lot of content of him out there. Once he said that basically after playing a role he wondered who he himself was and then got to the thought that when he can change himself like that maybe he himself is an illusion. And a lot of other spriritual and semi spiritual stuff. 

I wonder if acting itself does anything to that (like is changing your ego all the time a spiritual practice) or if it's just that actors are usually more open minded and when a few of them reach spiritual insights they get a lot of attention. 

 

[Fountainbleu]

maybe not as turquoise as I remembered when I watch it, but I see some green values. Maybe some yellow? and maybe turquoise, not sure. 

[Jannes]

1 minute ago, Fountainbleu said:

maybe not as turquoise as I remembered when I watch it, but I see some green values. Maybe some yellow? and maybe turquoise, not sure. 

A lot of humbleness and wisdom of what's important in life. At least green.

[Keryo Koffa]

Beige - Acts instinctively based on rules, unaware of self or other.
Purple - Exhibits symbolic representation devoid of individuality.
Red - Limitation to self-worth increasing reputation-driven roles.
Blue - Dismissive dogmatic exaggerations of one's value polarities.
Orange - Compensation-based skill acquisition and expansion.
Green - Message-driven deconstructions and romantisations.
Yellow - Motivation-aware meta-contextual self-understanding.
Turquoise - Integrative collaborative holistic self-other bridging.
Coral - Non-dual self-art metamorphosis emergence exploration.

[Carl-Richard]

It certainly doesn't hurt to understand the character from a Tier 2 perspective, but unless the director wants to explicitly communicate that understanding, it's not necessary.

Edited September 3 by Carl-Richard