Daniel Schmachtenberger: "A Vision for Betterment" | The Great Simplification 126

[Rafael Thundercat]

13 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

I get it that Daniel's got some bias for indigenous peoples, and maybe anti colonialist vibes,

I would love some more info about this topic because I see a lot of Influencers, mainly people from Indigeous North America, selling the ideia and even courses about " Decolonizzing your Mind" and " Decolonizing the Patriarchal White-Supremacy Colonial Mindset" 

I belive there must have some fundament on this since many parts of the world were colonized by West, but at same time I ask myself if all this decolonazation thing have some Shadow behind it, because is still a narrative of "Us vs Them" The one who suffer with the colonization vs the colonizers. Ah and the people preaching Decolonization actaully gain something with the colonialists so is a murky water.

[Rafael Thundercat]

13 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

1 point he made in I think the study of conquerors he insinuated the evils of Christendom. I'm like ok, but what's the alternative then? Caliphate Islam? Arabic slavery? I get it that Daniel's got some bias for indigenous peoples, and maybe anti colonialist vibes, but to downplay European colonialism, especially GB when GB was the only anti slavery empire there ever was, meanwhile the Arabas and caliphate Islam was doing their slave trade of Africa for far longer, and were castrating the black slaves...I'm sorry, but you cannot proclaim you're a freaking systems thinker without at least balancing or briefly touching on not just Genghis Khan's Mongolia or Alexander's Macedonia, or Roman Empire,

Do you have some Study material about this claims?? Curious here

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

4 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Do you have some Study material about this claims?? Curious here

   Yes I do, but more importantly, you cannot be a systems thinker yet cherry pick so badly. This IMO is one weakness of stage yellow thinkers, they are Martians, Venusian, maybe Jupitarians, and their thinking is so Galactic spaceships level that they forget that earthlings have to deal with real consequences that they don't have to. Under caliphate Islam Daniel Schmachtenberger would be dead, or a slave. That's the brutal reality of playing with moral relativism and many perspectival madness problems meanwhile hungry stage red/blue empires will eat you up:

 

[CARDOZZO]

@Danioover9000 

How do you define yourself on spiral dynamics stages? Turquoise? Coral?

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

4 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I would love some more info about this topic because I see a lot of Influencers, mainly people from Indigeous North America, selling the ideia and even courses about " Decolonizzing your Mind" and " Decolonizing the Patriarchal White-Supremacy Colonial Mindset" 

I belive there must have some fundament on this since many parts of the world were colonized by West, but at same time I ask myself if all this decolonazation thing have some Shadow behind it, because is still a narrative of "Us vs Them" The one who suffer with the colonization vs the colonizers. Ah and the people preaching Decolonization actaully gain something with the colonialists so is a murky water.

   YES! This is basically stage green's shadow of stage orange/blue/red. Stage orange because they hate the relative wealth and material gap between hippies and business people. Stage blue because most stage greens tend to be liberals/progressives/socialists/tank communists that hate anything conservative/traditions, even their own kind that few are successful in business and in life. Stage red because of humanitarian bias, maybe environmental bias because they have such big heart cavities in their chest for evil people, they see they SOOOO redeemable! For example take those same people and ask them about the Aztecs, they'll say their a tribe, they are peaceful, they are one with nature. Well, are Aztecs so peaceful folks when they live sacrifice and rip out the heart of the warrior tribe they prey on for their magical thinking and magical ritual? Are they so one with nature that they actually deforest in their own territory, burning woods for their ritual? Are the Commanche and Apache so spiritual stage purple tribes that the Apache showed loving kindness by kicking and driving the Commanche outta their lands and into Canada's? Sorry but for the most part the lefties and those post modernists and moral relativists have a deep shadow and romantic views about these 'peaceful' native tribes, and just demonize and downplay the glory of the colonialism and GB. All of them bickering and complains whilst standing on the shoulders of GIANTS!

   Of course we do have to admit some evils or some things were not like peaceful in some colonies, nothing in life is perfect, no such thing as peaceful conquests, but THAT'S LIFE! When Aztecs were warned by the Spanish to stop their BS of live human sacrificing, they refused because they're actually traditional/conservative minds then, they cling to ripping out the beating hearts of other tribes, therefore the other tribes formed a coalition with the Spaniards to overthrow and destroy the Aztec EMPIRE, not tribe but EMPIRE, and they did. And tough because like Schamchtenberger says, winners win and losers lose and those who win write most of history books. However, he gets to say all that and live with the benefits of western civilization and the benefits of Roman empire conquest, and even the invention of writing. IDK I just hate how such a genius mind just twists this and just blames the system he's benefiting from, it's just this betrayal mindset I don't like.

[Danioover9000]

@CARDOZZO

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

@Danioover9000 

How do you define yourself on spiral dynamics stages? Turquoise? Coral?

   I am a stage orange/blue, few stage red if you piss me off, also I think in images more than words, morally relative, am introverted, open minded, orderly, mostly agreeable, mid neurotic. I also have mild schizophrenia, survivor of a few paranormal events, some degree of psychopathy, am opportunist/conformist ego stage from Jane Loevinger's 9 stages of ego, too many shadows to count. I am blessed with good genetics and good life so far, and good brain/mind space enough to follow those stage yellow systems thinkers. Yeah, that's mostly it.

[Danioover9000]

   OMG, how can people don't just push back or challenge some of his takes? And it's this after/before school guy!😭

   I wish someone really pins him down on the following:

1. Why is optimism bad collectively, and why is it not powerful/useful to an individual?

2. Why the indigenous bias?

3. Why are you not factoring Spiral Dynamics into human cultural values development?

4. Why are you just repeating old examples years ago, like the ox and plow???

And so many other talking points I wish Schmachtenberger get's some pushback on! Yet when I explore his comment section, bunch of cult like behavior and worship of his big brain! WTF?!

[Rafael Thundercat]

21 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

mid neurotic. I also have mild schizophrenia, survivor of a few paranormal events, some degree of psychopathy, am opportunist/conformist ego stage from Jane Loevinger's 9 stages of ego, too many shadows to count

This explain a lot heheheh

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 21/06/2024 at 6:27 PM, Danioover9000 said:

Are the Commanche and Apache so spiritual stage purple tribes that the Apache showed loving kindness by kicking and driving the Commanche outta their lands and into Canada's? Sorry but for the most part the lefties and those post modernists and moral relativists have a deep shadow and romantic views about these 'peaceful' native tribes, and just demonize and downplay the glory of the colonialism and GB. All of them bickering and complains whilst standing on the shoulders of GIANTS!

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[Rafael Thundercat]

 

Edited June 22 by Rafael Thundercat

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

2 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

 

 Thanks for the share! Her videos are a great lesson of being paradigm locked, biased, partial with truth, and several other factors. First off the three heads of this 'colonial dragon': Education, western psychology, and new age(seriously??? Am surprised she's even going after the new age stage greens😂). Firstly, even if true there's indoctrination within western education system(USA, UK, European countries), it's a bit limiting of a critique because in an alternative history of earth, China won and is now the super power of the world, so is their education system, mainstream Chinese psychology system, and new age spirituality in China(although with CCP it's gonna be underground and secret) is that the same problem like the colonial dragon of the western cultures, western countries? What if instead Japan or North Korea became super powers in the world, would her critique then hold together? Finally, if the native Americans did successfully retained their lands, and became the USA but mostly with native American tribes as majority than whites and blacks, and STILL history and developmental factors play out similarly to the original history, if her own people engaged in colonial expansion onto foreign lands, would she be as willing to call this new Native USA out as well? Or will her own bias and partiality and distortion have her doing mental gymnastics to deflect and distraction elsewhere?

   Also I don't think her assumption that all mental disorders originate from colonial Europeans, or that it's a social construct from Europeans. I think mental illness and mental disorders like Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, OCD, predate European expansion, and the dark traits like sociopathy, psychopathy, narcissism, neuroticism, manipulation, sadism, masochism, and few more dark personality traits, all predate colonialism, so just framing it as all created by colonialism is a bit foolish. I do agree that yes western medicine and western psychology has it's downsides, but the starting point of helping the person comes down to the individual first because that individual is the ONLY one suffering with that mental disorder and other mental illnesses. I do agree that other therapy modes like gestalt, CBT-cognitive behavior therapy(mainstream western psychology), psychoanalysis, and other types do need to be explored for the patient, and even exploring environmental and community and family dynamics might help as well. However, the fundamental step starts from 1 person first self exploring, then later may include looking at community and environmental causes as well.

   In short, despite her skewed view of reality, I do like her metaphor. Hear that Whales and Welsh? You guys are pure evil, with that red dragon of colonialism, so culty...🤣

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Finally, if the native Americans did successfully retained their lands, and became the USA but mostly with native American tribes as majority than whites and blacks, and STILL history and developmental factors play out similarly to the original history

This would be a nice Tv Show. The world history remaked in a way that all the colonialists were the slaves and Africans,Indians and so forth were the Dominant Powers.

[Danioover9000]

   While this was a great talk, realistically game A triumphs over game B. They don't have the power to say overrule Elon Musk or Jeff Bazos or Mark Zuckerberg or other A.I supporters and electric car lovers. These intellectuals are way outta their league in importance.

 

Edited June 23 by Danioover9000