What moves my hand? It feels like conscious intent (The concept of WILL)

[Keryo Koffa]

Can a human move its hand through conscious intent? It feels like it can, but if not, is the god or conscious entity behind the human doing it? Can consciousness control its actions or is it an automatic process that only seems to be in control? Is the world an automatic imagination without self-determination or is there at any point a conscious will that can affect and direct actions through self-understanding? And if so, to what extent does it control the movement of the human, the thoughts of the human, the integration of senses through imagination, the physicality and reality of the perceived world, the universe at large and how can one realize and gain control over the process? I mean, all that happens could already be perfect, but then it'd be nice to become directly aware of why it is.

Edited June 5, 2024 by Keryo Koffa

[LastThursday]

I like to think about this sort of thing in terms of a triangle of causation.

The points of the triangle are the events, the edges are the direction of causation. Each edge can have a direction which implies that one event causes the other. If two events don't cause each other, then there is no direction of causation. An event is something like: hand moving or conscious intent or automatic imagination.

So, how many ways are there to draw this triangle? Quite a few, and each represents a different way of seeing things. Some combinations are:

Conscious Intent (CI) causes the hand to move (HM) - automatic imagination (AI) does not cause anything.

AI causes CI which causes HM.

HM causes CI (i.e. you move your hand and attribute it to conscious intent after the fact), again AI does not cause anything.

AI causes HM which then causes CI.

AI causes both CI and HM simultaneously - this is interesting because it gives automatic imagination all control.

AI, CI and HM are all independent and do not cause each other. My favourite case. This implies that reality is simply one big coincidence. Maybe every time your hand moves and you have a conscious intent, they just so happen to line up by luck not by causation.

So as you can see you could argue for any one of these triangles of causation as being true.

[Keryo Koffa]

@LastThursday I love this model and the visualization of all possible combinations of causation and correlation. I'll be using it from now on as part of my toolset for understanding various things

I wonder which one is actually the case. Of course I'm also open to not have considered alternatives or alternate rules or none of them being a complete understanding. But from all of this:

CI -> HM | The whole process is tricky and I think my hand can only move if it's connected to my body and brain, when uninjured, when I have energy and am not too exhausted, I would say that I am in control of initiating a signal that leads in to move. Then again, I am thinking inside the material paradigm. Maybe I am just continuously creating it with the whole universe within self-imposed limitations.

AI -> CI -> HM| I've experienced intuitive action taking on dissociatives, with more actions flowing from less intent but maybe conscious perception is just lowered in contrast to allow me great control over a narrow range of experience while all the automatic bodily functions are taken care of through intent I have put into the background and am unaware of but actually doing. I could also however say that I exist within automatic imagination as a conscious experience that can direct its intent into actions like hand movement.

HM -> CI | Maybe conscious intent is just a feeling while everything is happening deterministically. I'd wonder why that would be, maybe the illusion of a self is an evolved quality.

AI -> HM -> CI | Maybe its all consciousness and still there is no will and it happens automatically, the illusion of control created retroactively.

AI -> HM & CI | Hmm, that's interesting, whatever is automatically imagined is simultaneously consciously intended/desired. Like a freely evolving system coming up with the desire to do something and an equally happening action. This would unite a lot of contradictions.

AI | CI | HM | That one's just funny

Alright, now I have to transcend and reframe each part of the trio and some non-duality.

Imagination is a process, question is if its completely consciously intended (possibly limited by the extent that consciousness understands itself) and narrowed to partial perception to create a field of possible action through duality or if there's no intent, just an evolving conscious universe that somehow assumes forms which appear to have intent, from their self-understanding perspective or maybe they're reflecting a self-determining nature of the larger universe partially, there being less desire for action on higher levels and so there's room for ever complexifying forms.

Let me shorten AI to reality, CI to will and HM to action

Will and Action are within Reality. The question if will is merely an experience or an aspect of reality and if will causes action or is an illusion that justifies action retroactively.

There's Consciousness having experiences. The question is if will is an aspect of consciousness which generates action or is will an experience within consciousness and if so, does it influence action, happen simultaneously or a retroactively respond without agency. Of course there could be multiple levels within capital C Consciousness, there could be paradigms in which there is a willing that translates energetically into action and then there's the question whether there is only the willing or a willer? Is a willer having a willing or willing creating a willer by forming an identity through will? Is will the connective tissue of identity grabbing onto things like gravity forming planets, growing, expanding and understanding itself in the process? A force of nature, an energy?  It sure sounds like it.

Anyway, I'll be occupied reading and integrating all of philosophy for a while..

[Keryo Koffa]

My current understanding is that there might be a willing, which acts like a force of nature and creates its own identity through willing change and action somehow energetically affecting or morphing parts of reality and becomes an entity in the process of acquiring but I am still unsure how much control over reality this willing has.

There might be lots of different wills, which each act like the force of gravity forming ever larger structures and generating momentum and action through incorporation and utilization of various aspects of reality but the core will moving through them yet also maintaining its distinctive nature of being a singular thing independent but manifested through what it acquires.

[LastThursday]

Instead of moving hands I prefer thinking about breathing. Seemingly I can willingly control my breathing, but it also happens without my will. Maybe will is a manifestation or signal that something is perturbed from its "natural" action. If I breathe without will, then it adjusts itself automatically to the situation, but any perturbation from that automatic behaviour results in me thinking that "I did it"?

[Keryo Koffa]

@LastThursday At the same time, the first time we learn a new thing, it is a manual feeling and as we integrate it, we feel it less and it becomes automatic. Being content and relaxed feels more flow like, being stressed and cautious makes one self-conscious, of course one is conscious regardless but it seems that there is a distinct focus and precision of action that comes from will, but also power, desire, direction that changes default behavior. The flow state arises when one knows what to do, is at peace while doing it and masters a certain activity, I guess it comes from knowing what to do and trusting one's body and intuition to smooth out the details and variance. Meanwhile doing something completely new and unknown and being insecure makes one very intentfully engaged to get it right, it's like will is now unleashed to make non-linear decisions and handle the situation. I wouldn't dismiss will as not influencing action just yet, I just think that repetitive behavior is outsourced, so it can focus.

[enchanted]

10 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Can a human move its hand through conscious intent? It feels like it can, but if not, is the god or conscious entity behind the human doing it? Can consciousness control its actions or is it an automatic process that only seems to be in control? Is the world an automatic imagination without self-determination or is there at any point a conscious will that can affect and direct actions through self-understanding? And if so, to what extent does it control the movement of the human, the thoughts of the human, the integration of senses through imagination, the physicality and reality of the perceived world, the universe at large and how can one realize and gain control over the process? I mean, all that happens could already be perfect, but then it'd be nice to become directly aware of why it is.

If I told you, I'd have to kill you 😅 

Edited June 5, 2024 by enchanted

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