Trying to transcend the material paradigm

[Keryo Koffa]

I keep returning to the material, light entering my eye cones creating vision, looking at brightness dilates my pupils, changes intake of light and makes my vision darker. Thoughts corresponding to neural firing patterns, taking psychedelics activating the whole system and changing consciousness from the material side outside in. When I close my eyes, I still feel my environment.

But no material creates experience. If my environment exists independently of if I pick it up with all my senses, then it's simply a deeper layer of imagination. Every single experience ever had is pure imagination: the hardness of metal, softness of a pillow, colors, riding a bike, ideas, math, books, shapes, people, identities, emotions, preferences, limitations.

All of reality is internal, within consciousness, I am a feeling, idea, shape and conscious experience within the greater consciousness which I also am. I am the world and universe and immateriality and imagination and essentially pure being making up experiences like thoughts and distinctions and paradigms and beliefs about my creation filling my self with tendencies and limitations in the way I exist and form reality or reality forming itself or formlessness navigating that which arises.

I want to become aware of how this happens, on how imagination works, on how this reality materializes, on how much influence I have over this process that up until now has been autonomous. I move my body, form my thoughts, how far does this intentfulness stretch? How much am I in control of? How much control do I have over my mental perception, my sensory interpretation, my existential nature, kundalini energy, how do I become aware of my greater self internally?

I looked into the mirror, I am not this character but am constructing him as pure consciousness self-reflecting through the act of reality materialization.

Edited June 3, 2024 by Keryo Koffa

[Someone here]

The material paradigm assumes consciousness arises from the brain ..to debunk this ask yourself: are you conscious of "brain "? Or are you brain of conscious? Which one is more fundamental in direct experience as it is ..the brain or consciousness? 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Someone here All I know is consciousness for I can only know anything by being conscious of it and consciousness itself precedes any experience that arises inside it. The brain is an arising form and idea within consciousness that has a strong, very direct feedback loop with the rest of reality, which itself is another experience within consciousness.

It's just that the link is so direct, as if the brain is consciousness self-reflecting, yet it is expanding, yet chemistry may be able to explain that expansion. I just really wonder if the brain changes as a result of conscious experience, with consciousness retroactively adjusting the brain, its physical counterpart, or the mechanical growth of that physical counterpart that is the brain results in the expansion of arising conscious experiences.

It feels as if consciousness is inexplicably tied to the brain, if only I could verify conscious experiences existing independently of it, but that always brings me back to the potential of there existing a counterpart in some dimension that through mechanical deterministic laws manipulates the nature of conscious experience and consciousness being a hallucinatory experience not being able to account for such preceding structure. But of course consciousness could be completely immaterial and everything inside being intentfully imagined without needing a physical counterpart at all.

[Oppositionless]

biology is chemistry, chemistry is physics , physics is math 

where does math come from?

[Oppositionless]

Another thought experiment 

imagine the size of the universe 

now imagine what's outside the universe 

now ask whether it could have an outside 

And if it doesn't have something outside of it, then how could it be physical ?

now , if it's infinite, again how could it be physical ? Because if it keeps going forever we again have the same paradox:

the universe is no-where. It doesn't have a location. But physical objects need location, they must take up space.

consider also that space is a physical object, Einstein demonstrated this. So where is space?

 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Oppositionless

16 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

biology is chemistry, chemistry is physics , physics is math 

where does math come from?

math is consciousness, more so an experience within it and I guess there's no reason why consciousness would be restricted by math as much creating it retroactively to understand and connect parts of itself, so math is like a sliver of consciousness, a subset of experience.

14 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Another thought experiment 

imagine the size of the universe 

now imagine what's outside the universe 

now ask whether it could have an outside 

And if it doesn't have something outside of it, then how could it be physical ?

now , if it's infinite, again how could it be physical ? Because if it keeps going forever we again have the same paradox:

the universe is no-where. It doesn't have a location. But physical objects need location, they must take up space.

consider also that space is a physical object, Einstein demonstrated this. So where is space?

Space is in consciousness, the structure and nature of space is a conscious experience, the capital U Universe by definition contains everything.

Thoughts about a causational structure outside and beyond the possibilities of consciousness keep popping up though, I keep wondering how consciousness can go beyond itself or understand itself, it always expands in the process, infinitely, since you can always do Infinity + 1. But infinity is already infinite. Just like fractals, maybe there needn't be a structure and consciousness is simply self-encompassing omnidirectionally.

I guess my old paradigm was focused on emergent properties resulting from lower phenomena, but if I think of consciousness like a fractal, then I can see how it continues indefinitely within the same medium and doesn't need such external dualities. Lower phenomena giving rise to higher ones is a duality and a direction but they're never explained, understanding always goes top-down, non-life doesn't become living and only life knows life.

[Someone here]

On 04/06/2024 at 7:17 PM, Keryo Koffa said:

@Someone here All I know is consciousness for I can only know anything by being conscious of it and consciousness itself precedes any experience that arises inside it. The brain is an arising form and idea within consciousness that has a strong, very direct feedback loop with the rest of reality, which itself is another experience within consciousness.

It's just that the link is so direct, as if the brain is consciousness self-reflecting, yet it is expanding, yet chemistry may be able to explain that expansion. I just really wonder if the brain changes as a result of conscious experience, with consciousness retroactively adjusting the brain, its physical counterpart, or the mechanical growth of that physical counterpart that is the brain results in the expansion of arising conscious experiences.

It feels as if consciousness is inexplicably tied to the brain, if only I could verify conscious experiences existing independently of it, but that always brings me back to the potential of there existing a counterpart in some dimension that through mechanical deterministic laws manipulates the nature of conscious experience and consciousness being a hallucinatory experience not being able to account for such preceding structure. But of course consciousness could be completely immaterial and everything inside being intentfully imagined without needing a physical counterpart at all.

And What is conscious of all that shit ?

[Keryo Koffa]

@Someone here Consciousness is imagining such scenarios. It's just that it's hard for me to imagine memory, personality or will being formless and not made of components that encode and shuffle all these traits and changes. But that's my materialist conditioning at work.

[Someone here]

@Keryo Koffahey..c'mon..we know that the human mind does not reside on the moon and somehow perceive itself to be in a human head which it sees out of and hears with. if you hit someone in the head ..he loses brain function..hit him hard enough in the head with a hammer and he will lose consciousness..perhaps permanently. 

So there is of course correlations between the brain and consciousness. But consciousness chose the brain to experience itself. That doesn't mean it's generated in the brain. 

Watch Leo's videos :

1-why brains don't exist .

2-what is consciousness. 

Edited June 5, 2024 by Someone here