Are female pornstars stage red?

[Mada_]

Probably not as simple as “Red or Orange” simple because multiple memes can be active at once within people and collectives.

However I see Red meme reflected in the porn industry is the description of Red work environments in the Spiral Dynamics book:

- Red meme is incredibly lazy, it is hard to motivate people with this active meme to do anything; often people get into porn because they believe it means they don’t need to do as much labour for more money 

- Red employees will “put up with a lot as long as their basic needs are met often” (probably a misquote); I think “putting up with a lot” is an understatement when it comes to porn.

 

On the other hand, I saw an interview the other day, a guy was interviewing nomads in Bali. One girl was an OF creator and her favourite part of living in Bali was the “tax benefits” she gets as an Australian. No other meme than Orange imo would give that response. 
 

But then there’s explicitly feminist/progressive porn creators out there, once I saw an interview with a pornstar who believed she was an Occultist (possibly purple), there’s that Vice episode on people who do porn that reflects their Mormon upbringing which I guess could be Orange because they are demonising Blue etc. Lots of active memes like any milieu. 

[Danioover9000]

@MsNobody

On 2024-05-31 at 2:16 AM, MsNobody said:

@Danioover9000 so curious!! I listened to this podcast of Lex interviewing Aella and wow she is a fascinating human being. Spirituality is the new religion, spiritual people never talk about sex. Osho was one of the few, love this quote from him:

"So really it happens that the more sexual a person is, the more inventive he can be. The more sexual a person is, the more intelligent. With less sex energy, less intelligence exists; with more sexual energy, more intelligence, because sex is a deep search to uncover, not only bodies, not only the opposite sex body, but everything that is hidden."

   Yes Aella is an interesting person to talk, she also talked to Mr. Girl before he got banned from YT and other platforms. I watched the Lex podcast on her and yeah it's interesting if 50% of the time I'm having to not manage my hate bag on Lex Fridman the grifter.

[Danioover9000]

@Mada_

On 2024-06-01 at 3:50 AM, Mada_ said:

Probably not as simple as “Red or Orange” simple because multiple memes can be active at once within people and collectives.

However I see Red meme reflected in the porn industry is the description of Red work environments in the Spiral Dynamics book:

- Red meme is incredibly lazy, it is hard to motivate people with this active meme to do anything; often people get into porn because they believe it means they don’t need to do as much labour for more money 

- Red employees will “put up with a lot as long as their basic needs are met often” (probably a misquote); I think “putting up with a lot” is an understatement when it comes to porn.

 

On the other hand, I saw an interview the other day, a guy was interviewing nomads in Bali. One girl was an OF creator and her favourite part of living in Bali was the “tax benefits” she gets as an Australian. No other meme than Orange imo would give that response. 
 

But then there’s explicitly feminist/progressive porn creators out there, once I saw an interview with a pornstar who believed she was an Occultist (possibly purple), there’s that Vice episode on people who do porn that reflects their Mormon upbringing which I guess could be Orange because they are demonising Blue etc. Lots of active memes like any milieu. 

    Generally put, Spiral Dynamics is a complex modal that maps human cultural values over time, and yeah some individuals in each stage can overlap in values and in motivated reasoning. This is why for example I like Ken Wilbur's Integral Theory as it fills one weakness of this modal not being able to account for individual complexities and nuances.

[Schizophonia]

On 5/27/2024 at 0:37 AM, Basman said:

Wow, she's smart.

She seems very aware of cultural indoctrination.

 

She's hypocrite, the raw thuth is that she sell his body to survive, it's the height of slavery and the opposite of libertarian idealism.

"the hand who gives is above the one who receive"

[Schizophonia]

On 5/27/2024 at 6:47 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Girzo

   Actually BDSM is a bit stage red, as the person getting the BDSM is tied up and restricted, and dominated by the male/female dom. You are just logically wrong in assume other parts as more predominant, albeit some values may overlap.

It's stage nothing.

Chronic stress makes the expression of sexuality more aggressive.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

She's hypocrite, the raw thuth is that she sell his body to survive, it's the height of slavery and the opposite of libertarian idealism.

"the hand who gives is above the one who receive"

What kind of atrocious food do you give your body. What kind of abuse do you inflict upon it. What kind of illnesses falls prey to your body when you don't give it the right conditions to flourish. When you can't sleep at night because of whatever torment you put your body through, is that the height of slavery and also the opposite of libertarian idealism.....i bet your body doesn't care about these fancy terms that humans invented. Do you think the body cares about your moralities and who you sell it to, no it doesn't; only your wacky thoughts about it.

[integral]

 

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What kind of atrocious food do you give your body. What kind of abuse do you inflict upon it. What kind of illnesses falls prey to your body when you don't give it the right conditions to flourish. When you can't sleep at night because of whatever torment you put your body through, is that the height of slavery and also the opposite of libertarian idealism.....i bet your body doesn't care about these fancy terms that humans invented. Do you think the body cares about your moralities and who you sell it to, no it doesn't; only your wacky thoughts about it.

Can you explain the link with what i wrote ?

Btw, my sleep isn't perfect but i'm not insomniac anymore.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

27 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It's stage nothing.

Chronic stress makes the expression of sexuality more aggressive.

   On average it's around stage red in values. Chronic stress making sexual expression aggressive is at best somewhat of a factor, because in other cases the expression of dark sexual fantasies, domination types of kinks, is more a factor of power dynamics, power plays, and conquering over another, among other factors besides chronic stress.

[Princess Arabia]

54 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Can you explain the link with what i wrote ?

Btw, my sleep isn't perfect but i'm not insomniac anymore.

 

Good for you. That's all my sweets.

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

She's hypocrite, the raw thuth is that she sell his body to survive, it's the height of slavery and the opposite of libertarian idealism.

"the hand who gives is above the one who receive"

   That's a bit harsh to judge her like that. I don't think it's that deep of a hypocrisy.

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

She's hypocrite, the raw thuth is that she sell his body to survive, it's the height of slavery and the opposite of libertarian idealism.

"the hand who gives is above the one who receive"

How so? What is the difference between selling your body sexually and clocking in to your 9-5 every day?

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia Raw Thuth? Raw Thot???

[gambler]

18 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

What kind of atrocious food do you give your body. What kind of abuse do you inflict upon it. What kind of illnesses falls prey to your body when you don't give it the right conditions to flourish. When you can't sleep at night because of whatever torment you put your body through, is that the height of slavery and also the opposite of libertarian idealism.....i bet your body doesn't care about these fancy terms that humans invented. Do you think the body cares about your moralities and who you sell it to, no it doesn't; only your wacky thoughts about it.

Is this not psychotic? We are not psychopaths. We do have levels of disgust. And people can't lie to themselves. You can hand-wave this as "your moralities" and "wacky thoughts about it" but it is inherent in a lot of people that things like prostitution is distressful if it comes from the actions of a loved one; they can never be successful in denying their views on it and you cannot change that about them in the same way you cannot change a homosexual to be heterosexual. In both cases it's unnecessary to berate them as hurting their bodies for not being capable of pivoting to another way of being.

Edited June 6 by gambler

[gambler]

5 hours ago, Basman said:

How so? What is the difference between selling your body sexually and clocking in to your 9-5 every day?

Nothing. That's why you should be able to give your boss a blowie in the office to build team synergy.

[Schizophonia]

15 hours ago, Basman said:

How so? What is the difference between selling your body sexually and clocking in to your 9-5 every day?

It is a joke.

And yes, i I condemn every forms of alienation, starting with that of work.

17 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Schizophonia

   On average it's around stage red in values. Chronic stress making sexual expression aggressive is at best somewhat of a factor, because in other cases the expression of dark sexual fantasies, domination types of kinks, is more a factor of power dynamics, power plays, and conquering over another, among other factors besides chronic stress.

The more stressed you are, the more proof you need that you have power, and libidinous expression becomes exaggerated.
So trauma inducing energetic blockages (because of distorted beliefs about the world) and chronic stress (adrenaline, excess cortisol for whatever reason?) will push someone into BDSM.
These are universal trends, there is no real variability between stages.
Otherwise I might as well say that it comes from beige stage ahah.

16 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Schizophonia

   That's a bit harsh to judge her like that. I don't think it's that deep of a hypocrisy.

The tacit goal of libertarianism is emancipation ( i'm not agree).

And her strategy to survive is to spoil her own sexuality.

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

7 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It is a joke.

And yes, i I condemn every forms of alienation, starting with that of work.

The more stressed you are, the more proof you need that you have power, and libidinous expression becomes exaggerated.
So trauma inducing energetic blockages (because of distorted beliefs about the world) and chronic stress (adrenaline, excess cortisol for whatever reason?) will push someone into BDSM.
These are universal trends, there is no real variability between stages.
Otherwise I might as well say that it comes from beige stage ahah.

The tacit goal of libertarianism is emancipation ( i'm not agree).

And her strategy to survive is to spoil her own sexuality.

 

 

   How does that one factor of chronic stress outweigh the other factors involved?

   Yes, that's her survival strategy, so what's your beef with her strategy then?

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Schizophonia

   How does that one factor of chronic stress outweigh the other factors involved?

There is no others factors that levels of stress (which will influence the level of aggression of the sexual fantasies) and the strategy to deal with (which will determine the dominant/dominated position).

[Schizophonia]

18 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

 

   Yes, that's her survival strategy, so what's your beef with her strategy then?

No, she do what she want, it's not my problem.

Everything i say is that she has putted herself in a delicate position. Surviving by being f***** by random peoples is very alienating.

I could say as much with plenty of modern jobs, in different ways.

Edited June 6 by Schizophonia

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

56 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

There is no others factors that levels of stress (which will influence the level of aggression of the sexual fantasies) and the strategy to deal with (which will determine the dominant/dominated position).

 

52 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

No, she do what she want, it's not my problem.

Everything i say is that she has putted herself in a delicate position. Surviving by being f***** by random peoples is very alienating.

I could say as much with plenty of modern jobs, in different ways.

   Fair enough, you're entitled to opinion like that. I just think it's way more than that.