Donald Trump speaks at Libertarian party meeting

[ryandesreu]

@strika Mr Trump was buddies with a convicted sex trafficker, Epstein, so by your logic Mr Trump was on a sex trafficking team. Mr Trump was also found guilty of sexual abuse. Why are these facts about Mr Trump being left out of the equation, and why is the fallacy that elites must be pedophiles substantiated?

[MsNobody]

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

8 hours ago, Hardkill said:

However, I very much hope that you vote for Alsobrooks for US Senate. Even though Larry Hogan may seem like a reasonable good Republican if he wins that seat then that could very well mean Mitch McConnell's return to being Senate Majority leader. 

When I wrote that I was going to vote third party, I meant up and down the ticket.

 

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

On 6/1/2024 at 8:46 AM, Basman said:

Not saying you should vote for Biden. Your vote is your choice, but in politics it is normal and healthy to make compromises for overall positive gain. There will never be an ideal party/candidate that perfectly aligns with your values and vision for society.

My issues are not with Biden’s policies, but his advanced age.

Edited June 2 by Husseinisdoingfine

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, strika said:

I don't actually ultimately hate either of them or anything about them or anything about the world, i'm using language to talk in the relative and play in the relative, i'm aware it's a game while doing it, i don't know why people start using these bypassing arguments to point to God whenever something is discussed in the relative that they don't like, now that that's understood let's play the game.

In the game player 1 is a pedophile and promotes the depolarisation of the sexes. I don't have 4K proof that player 1 is a pedophile and i don't have the direct experience of him penetrating a child but it's pretty obvious to me considering he is a part of the elites that are pushing the depolarisation of the sexes propaganda because he himself does this which means he plays for their team and to play for their team a person has to be a pedophile or at least be a part of the club, so if he didn't literally fuck a child within this game then he at least knows about it and doesn't talk which is enough for me to piss on the player 1. Overall player 1 makes this server less fun, he ruins the experience for others. Now when it comes to player 2 he is a narcissist and a dumbass BUT he is still not as satanic as player 1, he doesn't promote the death cult agenda and that alone is enough for me, he won't make the experience on the server as bad as player 1, he is the lesser evil of the 2 players and so i pick the lesser evil because i want myself and others to have fun on this server as much as possible while the entire time being aware that it's a game, i don't need admins to lecture me on that.

I don't know either. Because you brought up god. If you are going to address that concept, I am likely going to address it in the reply.
I can be extremely direct and blunt. Usually, I try to meet someone where they are and add something to it.

The game you've made up is a series of assumptions with no given factual basis. 

Polarization has nothing to do with child abuse. They are two entirely different concepts. You are speaking to someone who was abused as a child, not sexually, and I was in a traditional middle-class home. A traditional or nontraditional home doesn't make it a better one. People do.

Too much polarization of the sexes, which forms a founding part of society, leads to an inflexible system, prone to inflexible outcomes - Please don't invent or add anything to this reply; it's just the line I've given you. Yes you can reverse this for the opposite problem.

It is not the lesser evil. Its putting a criminal in as president. It means Russia and Europe are more likely to go to war, because Trump wants out of NATO and supports Russia. It's delaying and regresses the environmental changes needed to save the planet, which is the real meta-threat everyone everywhere should be voting on; you'll get 4 years of people in power who believe the fairytale of some big weather machine in someone's basement destroying the planet when their house gets burned down or flattened. - Just so they can avoid responsibility or doing anything about it.

Then we have things like the Justice system in America getting overridden by Trump, causing it to lose legitimacy; there'll be four years of revenge and unrest. We have a further swing toward authoritarianism worldwide when we are already near fascism in many locations, and that means wider wars. Fascism needs opponents to exist. You are setting up your country and others to move further into an authoritarian state and the world into further tension.

You are picking collective suffering on things like climate, homelessness, drugs, crime, war, etc., and you are giving me a series of non-supported feelings. You are talking to me about your feelings not facts. Your dislikes. I get it I have them to, I hate both of them.

If you want a hundred things listed regarding the authoritarian shifts going on, I can certainly do them, or I can just ask you to show me what you think the actual left of the political spectrum is and where it exists. Then, put them against your argument that you dislike Biden because you believe a tolerance for other people's opinions on gender equals pedophilia. I hate Biden because he's a corporate stooge, too old to govern, who helped commit ethnic cleansing, and I can show you examples of this, but you can't with your examples.

That's the difference. One is feelings; one is a fact.

 

[strika]

1 hour ago, ryandesreu said:

@strika Mr Trump was buddies with a convicted sex trafficker, Epstein, so by your logic Mr Trump was on a sex trafficking team. Mr Trump was also found guilty of sexual abuse. Why are these facts about Mr Trump being left out of the equation, and why is the fallacy that elites must be pedophiles substantiated?

True, which is why Trump is also shit, even tho i don't think he was a pedophile, he strikes me more as sexually abusive as you've said, which imo is better than being a pedophile.

And more importantly Trump doesn't do the whole sexual depolarisation gimmick which is enough for me to pick him as the lesser evil, anyone that attacks sexuality and it's nature (with a cover of "self-acceptance" and "love") is the most evil one, sexuality is the foundation of our existence, both metaphysically and physically so when attacked it's the most damaging thing for an individual and the collective.

The whole thing about most elites of the elites being pedos or people that know pedos i won't go into now, there is enough evidence all over the internet if one uses intuition and common sense, i can't be bothered to argue this.

The problem is that people who don't believe this find it to be too airy-fairy, the way it's structured seems like it's almost something from a fucked up novel, but it's the truth, sometimes the truth is really obvious and simplified, it doesn't have to be all complex like the topics Leo talks about, that's also why Leo doesn't believe these things, because he is like "how could a smaller group of people control the mainstream?" "Why would they even be doing this it doesn't make sense?" "You're telling me they fuck children and drink their blood in black magic rituals, yeah right, you're crazy, spiral dynamics don't talk about this, it simply can't be"

Edited June 1 by strika

[strika]

35 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

I don't know either. Because you brought up god. If you are going to address that concept, I am likely going to address it in the reply.
I can be extremely direct and blunt. Usually, I try to meet someone where they are and add something to it.

The game you've made up is a series of assumptions with no given factual basis. 

Polarization has nothing to do with child abuse. They are two entirely different concepts. You are speaking to someone who was abused as a child, not sexually, and I was in a traditional middle-class home. A traditional or nontraditional home doesn't make it a better one. People do.

Too much polarization of the sexes, which forms a founding part of society, leads to an inflexible system, prone to inflexible outcomes - Please don't invent or add anything to this reply; it's just the line I've given you. Yes you can reverse this for the opposite problem.

It is not the lesser evil. Its putting a criminal in as president. It means Russia and Europe are more likely to go to war, because Trump wants out of NATO and supports Russia. It's delaying and regresses the environmental changes needed to save the planet, which is the real meta-threat everyone everywhere should be voting on; you'll get 4 years of people in power who believe the fairytale of some big weather machine in someone's basement destroying the planet when their house gets burned down or flattened. - Just so they can avoid responsibility or doing anything about it.

Then we have things like the Justice system in America getting overridden by Trump, causing it to lose legitimacy; there'll be four years of revenge and unrest. We have a further swing toward authoritarianism worldwide when we are already near fascism in many locations, and that means wider wars. Fascism needs opponents to exist. You are setting up your country and others to move further into an authoritarian state and the world into further tension.

You are picking collective suffering on things like climate, homelessness, drugs, crime, war, etc., and you are giving me a series of non-supported feelings. You are talking to me about your feelings not facts. Your dislikes. I get it I have them to, I hate both of them.

If you want a hundred things listed regarding the authoritarian shifts going on, I can certainly do them, or I can just ask you to show me what you think the actual left of the political spectrum is and where it exists. Then, put them against your argument that you dislike Biden because you believe a tolerance for other people's opinions on gender equals pedophilia. I hate Biden because he's a corporate stooge, too old to govern, who helped commit ethnic cleansing, and I can show you examples of this, but you can't with your examples.

That's the difference. One is feelings; one is a fact.

 

I brought up God in the context of the relative, you did it in the context of the absolute.

You want facts, i won't give you facts, i don't operate on the level of the mind as much, i use intuition and common sense, anything can be manipulated into "facts" because that's what mind does, mind can argue to infinity and i won't be doing that, i can't be bothered.

The problems you have presented are surface level stuff, i presented the more meta perspective, which is also the reason why you're saying you can present facts and i can't, i don't care about the short-term, i care about the long-term, in the long-term someone who is pushing a globalist agenda is a worse option than someone who is not.

If you want to vote for Biden, vote for him, it's not like i would be able to change your mind and vice versa.

I presented my perspective and you disagree with it and that's fine, it is what it is, some will agree, some won't, just don't regret your decision one day, please stand on business.

[Basman]

7 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Good luck changing hardcore religious peoples’ minds, though. They’re more common in America than you think. They’re dead set with their beliefs and who they proclaim to be their savior. They aren’t even open-minded to explore other religious figures such as Buddha or Muhammad. Do you really think they’ll be open-minded to the other political side?

Here is a great documentary showcasing how big the problem really is. These are everyday, law-abiding people you’ll easily pass by on the street, not some extreme terrorists walking around with guns.

This is how groupthink works so well; it clearly has massive consequences and benefits for those stuck in them.

 

Your totally right. Most people don't vote critically but emotionally, which is usually heavily influenced by their peers (you are the 5 people you spend the most time with, etc.).

[BlueOak]

 

21 hours ago, strika said:

I brought up God in the context of the relative, you did it in the context of the absolute.

Let's break down what you said, as God is often used in this way to bolster an opinion:
 

On 6/1/2024 at 10:20 AM, strika said:

Biden supporting the LGBT satanic depolarisation of sex propaganda and being a pedophile is more than enough for Trump the narcissist to be picked over him, if you're looking at this from the meta/God's perspective and can't see how horrible of a pick Biden is for the vibration of the US and the planet you're lost @enchanted

If I am looking from the Meta/God perspective and can't see something, I must be lost.

This is an absolute statement referring to everyone else from or through the perspective of God (Everything). Hence, I made an absolute reply.  A relative one would have been, I believe that it's in the best interests of the wider whole or God. This would be your relative opinion of the broader whole, or god, source, whatever. You could respond with, well, that was implied, but I try not to take my own invented implications from others' posts, only what they tell me.

There are few times outside the spiritual forum that I will ever bring God into something unless someone else does so first. Most concepts we talk about are not enhanced by claiming God's perspective on something should be X or Y.
 

Edited June 2 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

On 6/1/2024 at 4:51 PM, strika said:

You want facts, i won't give you facts, i don't operate on the level of the mind as much, i use intuition and common sense, anything can be manipulated into "facts" because that's what mind does, mind can argue to infinity and i won't be doing that, i can't be bothered.

The problems you have presented are surface level stuff, i presented the more meta perspective, which is also the reason why you're saying you can present facts and i can't, i don't care about the short-term, i care about the long-term, in the long-term someone who is pushing a globalist agenda is a worse option than someone who is not.

If you want to vote for Biden, vote for him, it's not like i would be able to change your mind and vice versa.

The rest of this post is here, sorry, as I was having problems with the quote system. Its going to be shorter as I lost the reply.

• We all live in the mind.
• Intuition alone doesn't help in discussions, as strangers don't trust or know you well enough to interpret it.
• Almost everything I talk about is systemic, I can go into more detail and often do, but it'll require deeper factual analysis for framing to be of use.
• Facts can be manipulated. Sourcing and intent matter, they can also be questioned and refined.
• Long-term climate destabilization, global wars, the authoritarian slide, general social unrest, and the undermining of the legal system are bigger long-term threats than anything, and most of these are linked together. The family dynamic is certainly a concern, but things like immigration are caused by the above; immigration is a symptom of danger or a lack of something.
• I am not American; my interest in your political race is summed up already above and in other posts here.

Edited June 2 by BlueOak

[bebotalk]

Libertarianism is a cringe ideology based on highfalutin theory that can only work in a given time or place. The state isn't the "evil" boogeyman that libertarians believe it is. 

[bebotalk]

Libertarians overrate the importance of freedom. Yes, we do like to be free in a specific sense. But how much latitude people want in their lives is relative. Libertarians will remain a fringe for this reason, and most aren't willing to compromise on their highfalutin beliefs. People don't live in theory. Theory only matters if it translates to the real world. 

There's a reason why communism and fascism took off. They helped people understand their realities. Mao won the Chinese Civil War and established the PRC because he convinced the Chinese that the ROC/Chiang was more of the same they had experienced for millennia. Similar is true of the Bolsheviks in Russia. Both Mussolini and Hitler made out fascism to be the solution to Italy and Germany's respective problems. 

Libertarians don't get how humans are, and that we're not robots. 

[Consept]

Trump wasnt sure about declassifying the epstein files, whats also crazy is fox didnt show the full response -