Even sober, We are tripping crazy af

[James123]

When we think that we are born and alive. That's the biggest trip ever, someone can have. Lol.

 

[Water by the River]

When it is all said and done (in retrospect), all other states of consciousness seem quite altered and strange when compared to the no-self state. No-self is in no way an altered state of consciousness; it is completely and absolutely unaltered. It is simply the One, seen from the One's point of view. It is a single drop of rain, a cloud passing, the fall of your own breath.

Adyashanti

[James123]

1 minute ago, Water by the River said:

When it is all said and done (in retrospect), all other states of consciousness seem quite altered and strange when compared to the no-self state. No-self is in no way an altered state of consciousness; it is completely and absolutely unaltered. It is simply the One, seen from the One's point of view. It is a single drop of rain, a cloud passing, the fall of your own breath.

Adyashanti

Even if no self state, perception never changes. Always same, but mindless is amazing. He is damn right. 

[Nemra]

It'll never come close to changing the state of your consciousness. And sometimes, if you're spiritually gifted, you can do it "sober".

Edited May 26 by Nemra

[Water by the River]

When first stepping truly into True No-Self or truly impersonal Infinite Nondual Being, it kills the separate self. Literally. It no is longer believed at all, just as an assembly/Gestalt of incorrect ignorant ideas and feelings, realized as appearing mirage that just pretended and cut off in real time. The snake is the rope. Which is Infinite Impersonal Being.

And "the" "Realizer" of that is also more BS-clusters of thoughts and feelings. That closes the loop. The separate-self illusion has then no ground to stand any more in infinite groundless mere appearance Infinite Being. Then, it is replaced by an Infinite Ocean of Suchness or groundless mere nondual appearance.

Only after quite some familiarity with that does the normal hypnosis of unawakened human life seem as the altered state, and the empty Suchness as the unaltered state. Yet, that is how things truly are.

Edited May 26 by Water by the River

[James123]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

It'll never come close to changing the state of your consciousness. And sometimes, if you're spiritually gifted, you can do it sober.

What do you mean by "it"? 

You don't need to be spirituality gifted, all have you to realize is "the eyes don't see anything", you are the moment. However, again, perception never changes.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Water by the River said:

When first stepping truly into True No-Self or truly impersonal Infinite Nondual Being, it kills the separate self. Literally. It no longer believed at all, just as an assembly/Gestalt of incorrect ignorant ideas and feelings, and cut off in real time. The snake is the rope. Which is Infinite Impersonal Being.

Only after quite some familiarity with that does the normal hypnosis of unawakened human life seem as the altered state, and the empty Suchness as the unaltered state. Yet, that is how things truly are.

Nope. After recognition of enlightenment, you can not be no self state all the time, because enlightenment is forgetting everything as deep sleep, just Being. However, if you can understand these sentences that's the separate self / ego. Game is created as birth and death. Till game ends, which is death, ego never leaves. Rest is a lie. 

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

What do you mean by "it"? 

The "tipping crazy while sober"

1 minute ago, James123 said:

You don't need to be spirituality gifted, all have you to realize is "the eyes don't see anything", you are the moment. However, again, perception never changes.

Why do you think you can do that?

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't look further into themselves.

[Water by the River]

Just now, James123 said:

Nope. After recognition of enlightenment, you can not be no self state all the time, because enlightenment is forgetting everything as deep sleep, just Being. 

That is wrong in my experience. But see for yourself before you rule out what is possible.

[James123]

Just now, Water by the River said:

That is wrong in my experience. But see for yourself before you rule out what is possible.

Put your hand on the fire and see. 

[Water by the River]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Put your hand on the fire and see. 

No-Self is not Infinite Being without a functioning personality. It is just Infinite nondual Being containing a personality. Like it contains the rest of the world also. And the personality doesn't have to become totally stupid my friend 

[James123]

Just now, Water by the River said:

No-Self is not Infinite Being without a functioning personality. It is just Infinite nondual Being containing a personality. Like it contains the rest of the world also. And the personality doesn't have to become totally stupid my friend 

Ego is the universe brother. İf you can understand my sentences, or breathing, you still got an ego. Dont you eat? 

[James123]

@Water by the River

 

 

[Water by the River]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Ego is the universe brother.

If one blows it up, I don't doubt it can feel like.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

If one blows it up, I don't doubt it can feel like.

Me too. Lol.