Where/What is the Observer/Consciousness behind the Experience?

[Keryo Koffa]

A person approaches the subject, light reflected off that person enters the subject's eye, turns to brain signals, creates an image, gets contextualized, elicits a reaction, sends brain signals to fascial muscles, makes a reaction face. But from the moment of having a reaction to it being shown through facial expressions, there is a time lag. The external reaction is a mirror of the internal reaction but it is just a manifestation, not the thing itself. The actual conscious emotional experience is not actually observed, just it's shadow. Thinking through that context, where is a person anyway? They're not their body, but their body is an expression of them, a feedback loop that creates their identity. But where's the person, between the eyes, when I look into a mirror, am I between my eyes? No, all I can see of myself is an equally arbitrary content of my experience, everything is inside consciousness. 360 degree, all covered. The observer (if there even is one) is nothing, for anything is an experience, and any experience is not experiencer so there is no room for the experiencer. The experiencer is the experience, but what is the consciousness that ties it all together? Is it nothing? But consciousness is not nothing, yet it is the experience and experiencer. I'm confused, help

[Hojo]

Pretend the red line in these images represent you. Its an invisible force in reality. Reality is empty and void there is no feeling or being in reality we cant feel it everything we feel we create in our minds. By this logic what you witness (your body in reality )isnt you so the red outline in these images represents the feeling consciousness has created in your mind of where you are in it. When this dissapears by being see as illusion the invisible red line loses track of where you are and it will encompass everything you can see into the 3rd image if the man turns his head he will still see himself in everything thats in his pov. The 4th image is Godhead state where you are there but there is nothing.

You can see being born as the reversal of this happening. This invisible field can identify with anything in the universe. and they are seperate but one

Edited May 25 by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

@Keryo Koffa Consciousness, Inifnity, and Nothing- are identical.  Your mind is making distinctions between them - but when you collapse all distinctions you will realize that they are identical.

[Davino]

@Keryo Koffa You'll need to deconstruct science. You are awakening but still have lingering scientific worldviews that corrupt your sense making. I higly recommend you see Leo's video on the subject. It will blow your mind and clean everything for you so that science is not limiting you for answering questions like: What is consciousness? What is Reality? What is other? What is I? and so on

[A Fellow Lighter]

4 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

The experiencer is the experience, but what is the consciousness that ties it all together?

This question only makes sense when there is an assumed separation between subject and object. Otherwise there is nothing to be "tied together", there is simply consciousness without duality. 

4 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

But consciousness is not nothing, yet it is the experience and experiencer

No, consciousness isn't nothing. Quite clearly it is something. In fact, one could even go as far as saying it is everything, or that everything is consciousness, rather.

[Keryo Koffa]

It seems Non-Duality is the answer. I should really include that among my default lenses of understanding.

I guess a more direct question is "Where is the feeling of self and consciousness located?"

And my immediate intuitive hunch is the feeling of self is as much itself as the color red.

And consciousness may be an existential property of being experienced at all times by virtue of being everything within experience and potential.

But then, can there be being without consciousness? Can it go unobserved or blocked from expression and still exist?

And the answer to that would be that my perception constantly changes and there are tons of things outside my experience that go unobserved.

Which leaves me really just curious about the mechanisms and interconnections of the manifesting reality and that's the relative domain of science that can be explored to infinite depth. I really wanna analyze how taking action, self-perception and intention work, definitely adding that to the to-do list on my next psychedelic trip, although I wanna flash it out and expand my understanding as much as I can until then.

Thank you all

@Hojo Am I the godhead lost in ego or an ego experience within the Godhead, that is to say: I wonder how far I can dissolve my identity and if that would affect that which I call objective reality, which refers to: hard walls, not falling through the ground, Euclidian space, etc.

@Inliytened1 I see, Non-Duality it is! 

@Davino I will, do you happen to have a specific metaphor or insight to share?

@A Fellow Lighter I was thinking about the observer becoming nothing the more it is deconstructed and consciousness seeming like a kid of aether that includes and connects all experiences, but not really being able to be made sense of without them, since that awareness has to take a form to be itself, otherwise, would it be consciousness of non-existence? Doesn't really make sense, though I can imagine consciousness of the lack of existence, it's just that consciousness as I see it always takes a form, even if it is the awareness of awareness, it's pretty strange to visualize it on its own, but it definitely is a property, or a dimension, a kind of space or maybe a void, not nothing but barely something in itself, like the axis of numbers but without the numbers.

[Hojo]

@Keryo Koffa I think god is a real creature and we are in a spot in its body. We could be in its ass right now. When you lose your identity you lose the spot you thought you were in and can potentially go anywhere in gods body and gods body is infinite like your own body. But most of the time you get sucked into the Head

Edited June 3 by Hojo

[Davino]

11 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I will, do you happen to have a specific metaphor or insight to share?

Don't ground your present experience on science or matter or brains or humans or in anything, as much as you can: be groundless. Be in direct experience, you are in the right direction towards Truth but you still haven't grasped that this is a dream for real and not a material universe. That's still in the back of your mind and worldview and is limiting your sense making. You can use science as useful lens but you cannot have it all the time on while being unaware of it, particularly on existential truthful inquiry.

11 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Where is the feeling of self and consciousness located?

Human self is a contraction of energy and feelings, like a tight fist. A beautiful structure, like soap bubbles.

Location arises from consciousness not the other way around. Consciousness is everpresent and absolute, all encompassing and Infinite.

11 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

can there be being without consciousness?

Being and consciousness are identical.

in the initial phases it is perceived as being or what is.

When realization matures and deepens, being is seen as pure consciousness.

11 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Can it go unobserved or blocked from expression and still exist?

Tricky questions I'm still contemplating myself. I have a little pet theory of consciousness vs awareness. While everything is consciousness you may not be aware of it. So All is consciousness but you may not be conscious of all what consciousness is, that property of consciousness I call awareness. Right now you may be unaware of your nose in your visual field, nevertheless it is being held in consciousness. Well in truth it is consciousness itself.

Consciousness and Awareness (conscious of consciousness) may provide an useful lens for your inquiry.

 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Davino I am progressing in that direction, but I always seek to contextualize everything. Non-Duality is a great way to transcend a paradigm, I've also been deep into the Seth Material, but it is a lot. Still, it accounts for all possible contradictions and flashes out the nature of the universe in the most fundamental sense. I do actually have to really awaken to these insights however in my direct experience and to change my actual perception.

That the difference between materiality and immateriality is imaginary and everything is consciousness. That my unconscious beliefs are responsible for shaping all aspects of my life. The fact that I identify it as life and me as myself, retroactively enforcing such dualities. But to just give up on that doesn't feel right, instead I'm getting to the root of it, interconnect reality, dissolve barriers, transcend paradigms and find understandings that eliminate contradictions.

Maybe that process itself is a problem, but I am letting a lot of karma pass through me and let it go in the process, where there was always a pent up feeling before. Intuitively I know that everything is consciousness, but I'm figuring out what that means and how to navigate, understand and embody this insight.