What could exist in such a way that it makes sex difficult to attain?

[numbersinarow]

Think of the premise for the world. We have humans, we have 2 biological sexes and they can do an activity which brings them pleasure. Other activities that bring pleasure such as food and masturbation are done constantly, people can get addicted to them. Millions of years of evolution have been spent programming females into wanting a man who genetically signals success with things like looks. This is tied to survival.

You got those premises? Good.

Now imagine the result being a world where to attain this, people commit rape, exchange career opportunities, have organized human trafficking and even circles where men are given access to women who are presumably either doing it for money or are brainwashed into submission.

Why don't they just use regular means to attain sex? You'd think it follows that even a 3/10 guy would have some qualities which would sexually arouse girls and make him good enough for casual sex. Not for a long term relationship, but certainly for casual sex. But the truth is the extreme opposite. Why?

[universe]

Because of our society.

Imagine every time you had sex someone random would call you a looser.

Some girls wouldn't find you pure anymore after you had sex.

That is what has been happening in our society.

You have been shamed so much for your sexuality, that when you get a boner you think something is wrong with you and it hurts.

 

Then there is also this huge religious group which demonises sex and on top of that there is a slight chance you get pregnant every time you have sex.

[numbersinarow]

10 hours ago, universe said:

Because of our society.

Imagine every time you had sex someone random would call you a looser.

Some girls wouldn't find you pure anymore after you had sex.

That is what has been happening in our society.

You have been shamed so much for your sexuality, that when you get a boner you think something is wrong with you and it hurts.

 

Then there is also this huge religious group which demonises sex and on top of that there is a slight chance you get pregnant every time you have sex.

Why does it happen with some people and not with others? Are girls in 30K pop or less areas just on a different frequency?

[universe]

People tend to be wonderful in different ways depending on where they live, like which country, and if they live in a small village or in a big city.

You can act more freely in big crowds, which has its pros and cons.

❤️

 

[Tenebroso]

Most men are repulsive. For most of history women did not have choice in who they mated with which created an artificial abundance for men. What we are seeing today with men struggling is actually what is natural when women have choice. A few men get all the sex and the rest kind of just exist in frustration and are sedated with porn, weed, video games etc. In previous centuries a large hunk of the male population would be culled through constant war, generation after generation.

Ironically the most powerful, attractive men are the most likely to harm and abuse women. Most unattractive men will never be alone with a woman and most harm done to women is done by men they know in one way or another.

Edited May 24 by Tenebroso

[LordFall]

I don't think you understand biology as a whole if you think sex is naturally abundant. It's the whole basis for natural selection. Sex and reproduction are the only biological goals of organisms so really you could struggle for 30 years to barely survive and have sex one time to reproduce and you would be a winner according to evolution.

Even today with most guys struggling sex is phenomenally abundant. I don't have stats on hand but I imagine in the Middle East it's much less abundant than we have it in the west and most periods of human history must've been similar. 

[numbersinarow]

4 hours ago, LordFall said:

I don't think you understand biology as a whole if you think sex is naturally abundant. It's the whole basis for natural selection. Sex and reproduction are the only biological goals of organisms so really you could struggle for 30 years to barely survive and have sex one time to reproduce and you would be a winner according to evolution.

I literally just don't talk about that in the OP. The fact that I'm describing a later state does not mean I'm saying the previous state was better, that's not being implied at all in this context. A human today doesn't act on instinct nearly as much either so comparing those doesn't make sense. The OP still stands. And this is the build-up to an unrelated insult about me not being an expert at biology. Lol. But then you didn't give any argument for why it's not beneficial for an organism to be extremely liberal with sex in order to make itself successful as a species (not that I'm claiming the opposite, since I wasn't talking about this at all).

4 hours ago, LordFall said:

Even today with most guys struggling sex is phenomenally abundant. I don't have stats on hand but I imagine in the Middle East it's much less abundant than we have it in the west and most periods of human history must've been similar. 

65%~ of men in the US below age 30 are single. I just can't imagine that's voluntary or that casual sex is easier to acquire. You say it's worse in the middle east but they have arranged marriage there. Now let's compare that to Japan where over half of females claim to not be interested in relationships or sex at all. What I am saying is: that kind of a phenomenon, (along with the ones named in OP, not just on it's own), is disconnected from the premises, and it doesn't seem to make sense, so I made a thread about it.

[Pav]

On 24/05/2024 at 1:13 AM, numbersinarow said:

Why don't they just use regular means to attain sex?

The average or below average guy is not attractive enough to be desired by the women they want.

On 24/05/2024 at 1:13 AM, numbersinarow said:

You'd think it follows that even a 3/10 guy would have some qualities which would sexually arouse girls and make him good enough for casual sex.

Unfortunately this not the case. A guy who's at a 3/10 in looks is sexually repulsive to most women.

On 24/05/2024 at 1:13 AM, numbersinarow said:

 Not for a long term relationship, but certainly for casual sex. But the truth is the extreme opposite. Why?

It possibly comes down to supply and demand. There's more men out there seeking casual sex than women (probably due to higher testosterone levels), thus women are able to hook up with more attractive guys for casual sex. For relationships the supply and demand is more even, thus an average girl will not be able to get commitment from a much more attractive guy since he has more desirable options.

[numbersinarow]

34 minutes ago, Pav said:

The average or below average guy is not attractive enough to be desired by the women they want.

Unfortunately this not the case. A guy who's at a 3/10 in looks is sexually repulsive to most women.

It possibly comes down to supply and demand. There's more men out there seeking casual sex than women (probably due to higher testosterone levels), thus women are able to hook up with more attractive guys for casual sex. For relationships the supply and demand is more even, thus an average girl will not be able to get commitment from a much more attractive guy since he has more desirable options.

I've had girls flirt with me in high school and then when I finished it I instantly became a rando creep to girls. My looks didn't change, if anything they became better. All the while watching short guys who would be considered a 4/10 or 3/10 get treated like they cured cancer by girls.

"The average or below average guy is not attractive enough"

Who knows what's the level of attractiveness of the people I am describing. The point is, if they are the elite, they should hypothetically have expert PUA coaches and should look good. People are doing these activities I described because the regular means AKA cold approach, PUA, making yourself look better etc. don't work.

[Kid A]

20 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

Most men are repulsive. For most of history women did not have choice in who they mated with which created an artificial abundance for men. What we are seeing today with men struggling is actually what is natural when women have choice

What we are seeing today is a highly repulsive generation of man-children who stayed inside, played video games, watched anime and barely developed social skills (compared to women) during the time they were supposed to grow up and become men.

Edited May 25 by Kid A

[LambdaDelta]

That's self-bias for you. A selfish person would sooner resort to all those things you describe than admit their deficiencies and start working on correcting them. Truth hurts. A 3/10 guy doesn't see himself that way, he believes he's entitled to at least a 6/10. Women are the same, a 3/10 girl will not want a 3/10 guy even for casual sex because she believes she deserves better. If we could match people according to some objective rating system to someone closest to their own level, then it'd all work out. Of course it's not as simple or mechanical as that though.

I could be wrong, but that's one way to look at it.

[Tenebroso]

@Kid A More gaslighting. Actually a pathetic post with the usual stereotypes. There are men who didn't play video games, watch anime and stay inside who were ostracized for one reason or another, there is more nuance to why one life unfolds different to another than your myopic nonsense.  Your generalizing of the entire spectrum of men that have struggled with women says more about you.

If women are selecting for mate fitness I guess we should be glad that abusers, murderers and worse have no problems attracting women, just nature working as intended.

[Kid A]

4 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

@Kid A More gaslighting. Actually a pathetic post with the usual stereotypes. There are men who didn't play video games, watch anime and stay inside who were ostracized for one reason or another, there is more nuance to why one life unfolds different to another than your myopic nonsense.  Your generalizing of the entire spectrum of men that have struggled with women says more about you.

If women are selecting for mate fitness I guess we should be glad that abusers, murderers and worse have no problems attracting women, just nature working as intended.

I’m sorry if my post hurt you. 
You wrote a post where you definitely had a point to some extent. I presented another perspective where I exaggerated things a bit. It's not worse than that!

[Kid A]

5 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

If women are selecting for mate fitness I guess we should be glad that abusers, murderers and worse have no problems attracting women,

They do have problems attracting women. This is part of the reason why they can’t handle rejection, which often leads them to commit such things.