Things we will never know....

[enchanted]

We will never know the yoga practices, psychedelics, or scientific discoveries of the alien species on other planets.

[enchanted]

We also won't know all the good books aliens have written. Most humans won't even know  all the great books humans have written.

Edited May 23 by enchanted

[enchanted]

All the great spiritual forums across the universe will also never be known by us.

There could be planet where the average forum participant is 1000x more advanced than on planet earth.....this is a humbling

[Water by the River]

Sure?

Jacques Vallée, Passport to Magonia

Jacques Vallée, Dimensions. Chapter "Conclusion: Exploring Other Dimensions"

https://www.dmtx.org/

Rick Strassmann, Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to Alien Worlds through Psychedelics and Other Spiritual Technologies

 

Selling (imaginary) Alien&ETs by the River 

[OBEler]

If you become alien mind like Leo describes, maybe you can access alien technology too. Maybe there is a universal Internet which you can access with a specific state of mind. There you can communicate with alien species around the whole universe. Maybe there is already an alien meta verse out there

[ivankiss]

How do you know that?

[Water by the River]

Vallee, Aubeck: Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times

White: Daemons Are Forever: Contacts and Exchanges in the Eurasian Pandemonium 

Hancock: Visionary: The Mysterious Origins of Human Consciousness

Ziewe: Vistas of Infinity

Heiser: Supernatural: What the Bible Teaches About the Unseen World - and Why It Matters

Strassmann: DMT and the Soul of Prophecy: A New Science of Spiritual Revelation in the Hebrew Bible

John, McKenna: Mystery School in Hyperspace: A Cultural History of DMT

 

Guess we need the...

 

[enchanted]

On 5/23/2024 at 4:09 PM, Water by the River said:

Sure?

Jacques Vallée, Passport to Magonia

Jacques Vallée, Dimensions. Chapter "Conclusion: Exploring Other Dimensions"

https://www.dmtx.org/

Rick Strassmann, Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to Alien Worlds through Psychedelics and Other Spiritual Technologies

 

Selling (imaginary) Alien&ETs by the River 

You guys got me. So true and mind blowing. 

Edited May 25 by enchanted

[Purple Man]

On 23/5/2024 at 10:09 PM, Water by the River said:

 

Jacques Vallée, Dimensions. Chapter "Conclusion: Exploring Other Dimensions"

 

Although he does not introduce anything that has not been pointed at in the metaphysics of the History of Mysticism for millenia, I found it fascinating that Vallée, by means of his sober intellect only (no meditative insights, no psychedelics, just pure hard-nosed intellectual approach) reached a refined and sophisticated explanation for "miracles", unusual facts, UFO´s, non-human lives, etc.

Especially interesting is the way he dismisses space-time as we understand it, as it is not valuable for storing information (time and space are not proper ways to collect it and reach it later), which lead him to assume that if the most efficient means to retrieve information from storage is associate what we look for with a key word (that is, "getting close" to the information we´re searching via a "word of power"), maybe we, humans, traverse events by association, and everything in the multiverse is reachable this way.

So called mysterious, paranormal phenomena would be the result of our getting close to that phenomena, maybe with practices (he does not mention it but it looks like he´s hinting at it), breaking our old (and fake) space/time barriers, and turning every weird fact, every unexplainable event into an event within Consciousness.

Edited May 25 by Purple Man

[Carl-Richard]

Communicate with them telepathically? Duh.

[UnbornTao]

Why would they think in ways similar to ours?

Edited May 25 by UnbornTao

[Water by the River]

3 hours ago, Purple Man said:

Although he does not introduce anything that has not been pointed at in the metaphysics of the History of Mysticism for millenia, I found it fascinating that Vallée, by means of his sober intellect only (no meditative insights, no psychedelics, just pure hard-nosed intellectual approach) reached a refined and sophisticated explanation for "miracles", unusual facts, UFO´s, non-human lives, etc.

Especially interesting is the way he dismisses space-time as we understand it, as it is not valuable for storing information (time and space are not proper ways to collect it and reach it later), which lead him to assume that if the most efficient means to retrieve information from storage is associate what we look for with a key word (that is, "getting close" to the information we´re searching via a "word of power"), maybe we, humans, traverse events by association, and everything in the multiverse is reachable this way.

So called mysterious, paranormal phenomena would be the result of our getting close to that phenomena, maybe with practices (he does not mention it but it looks like he´s hinting at it), breaking our old (and fake) space/time barriers, and turning every weird fact, every unexplainable event into an event within Consciousness.

Yes. Its just one Infinite Reality. A Multiverse of Dimensions, Infinity on Infinity. Dense realms like our physical universe, less dense and more subtle realms, multidimensional in all directions and realms.

Two more fascinating sources:

Spangler,Subtle Worlds: An Explorer’s Field Notes

Spangler, Apprenticed To Spirit: The Education of a Soul

And of course Jürgen Ziewe, book and homepage: https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html

When ET & Angels and Demons find easily their proper places in an integral worldview with sufficiently vast enough scope & size to cover each and any juicy and fascinating topic between heaven and earth , one can relax and turn oneself to the real important topics (and not get fascincated & hypnotized by side-shows, aka traps), and get rid of the self-contraction and realize True Infinite Being. Somebody once should make a youtube-video warning about such traps 

And having done all of that, a balanced and integrated life in the sweet valley, having come down from the lonely mountain, awaits... Selling Water by the River already smells the scent of the gardens...

Yet, some have fallen in love with ET way up the mountain. Maybe it is even a Yeti? Also hard to catch on camera. Oh well. Unicuique sua. Sorry, as german a no go to write.

 

Selling the sweet valley after climbing the mountain summit, on wich some even claim there is the market places of the 10th ox picture to be found, right next to the

River

[Breakingthewall]

We will never know the possibilities of reality because they are unimaginable. Realizing this is dizzying. Your human intellect is the intellect of an amoeba, it cannot approach infinity, it can only surrender to it. Perhaps in another dimension you are a fluid universe of absolute peace that rotates on itself for eons, to give an example. Total reality is infinite, but in the end it doesn't matter, because it is always you. 

[Purple Man]

2 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Yes. Its just one Infinite Reality. A Multiverse of Dimensions, Infinity on Infinity. Dense realms like our physical universe, less dense and more subtle realms, multidimensional in all directions and realms.

Two more fascinating sources:

Spangler,Subtle Worlds: An Explorer’s Field Notes

Spangler, Apprenticed To Spirit: The Education of a Soul

And of course Jürgen Ziewe, book and homepage: https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html

When ET & Angels and Demons find easily their proper places in an integral worldview with sufficiently vast enough scope & size to cover each and any juicy and fascinating topic between heaven and earth , one can relax and turn oneself to the real important topics (and not get fascincated & hypnotized by side-shows, aka traps), and get rid of the self-contraction and realize True Infinite Being. Somebody once should make a youtube-video warning about such traps 

And having done all of that, a balanced and integrated life in the sweet valley, having come down from the lonely mountain, awaits... Selling Water by the River already smells the scent of the gardens...

Yet, some have fallen in love with ET way up the mountain. Maybe it is even a Yeti? Also hard to catch on camera. Oh well. Unicuique sua. Sorry, as german a no go to write.

 

Selling the sweet valley after climbing the mountain summit, on wich some even claim there is the market places of the 10th ox picture to be found, right next to the

River

Thank you very much for the recommendations.

I have already read some Ziewe´s books. Fascinating subjects, filled with an unusual scent of honesty, although he´s a dry writer, more a data collector than a word artist.

Spangler will be a future selection. Nothing wrong with researching the Middle Areas or learn about those who have accesed them in profoundity, provided one´s anchor is strong in the unmanifest impersonality that allows for the show to exist. Actually it is the only way to truly enjoy them.

 

Edited May 25 by Purple Man

[Water by the River]

8 hours ago, Purple Man said:

Thank you very much for the recommendations.

I have already read some Ziewe´s books. Fascinating subjects, filled with an unusual scent of honesty, although he´s a dry writer, more a data collector than a word artist.

Spangler will be a future selection. Nothing wrong with researching the Middle Areas or learn about those who have accesed them in profoundity, provided one´s anchor is strong in the unmanifest impersonality that allows for the show to exist. Actually it is the only way to truly enjoy them.

 

Yes.

Here some more interesting books:

Hernandez, The Mind of GOD: A Spiritual-Virtual Reality Model of Consciousness & The Contact Modalities

Hernandez, Beyond UFOs: The Science of Consciousness & Contact with Non Human Intelligence 

Hernandez, Vol 1 and Vol 2 of A Greater Reality: The New Paradigm of Nonlocal Consciousness, the Paranormal & the Contact Modalities

 

8 hours ago, Purple Man said:

Nothing wrong with researching the Middle Areas or learn about those who have accesed them in profoundity, provided one´s anchor is strong in the unmanifest impersonality that allows for the show to exist. Actually it is the only way to truly enjoy them.

Yes. And not to get fascinated and distracted by them. That would be another trap.

Selling the mountain summit instead of the ETs on minor peaks & valleys by the River