Why do I want to use high dosage of Pychedelics all the time, how can I move on?

[Water by the River]

3 minutes ago, petar8p said:

Don't you think this is too close to justifying an addiction?

Any addiction can ruin or damage your physical life, even if it makes you experience God.

Bingo. 

Ken Wilber, The Religion of Tomorrow

On 7.7.2023 at 11:28 AM, Water by the River said:

"Ken Wilber in "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions"

One can step deeply enough into thetimeless Now to step into another dimension altogether—just step right here, and push hard.

It’s easy to get lost in those worlds, which are, at bottom, simply different dimensions and perspectives of one’s own (violet) consciousness (although, as noted, from another angle, they are all real, ontologically different realms because they are each genuinely co-enacted by a different perspective in consciousness). Given that this stage is the first great transition from “earthly” realms to “heavenly” realms (as a permanent structural enaction), getting lost in these “higher worlds” is indeed one of the most common dysfunctions of this level. The deeply transcendental, otherworldly, electrically visionary nature of consciousness at this altitude makes fixation to this side of the street an incredibly inviting and alluring venture. This is likely to couple with the dysfunction, discussed earlier, of standing in heaven and giving a blistering critique of life here on earth, with all the semiprophetic pomp and pomposity that  comes with it.

One of the things that often happens with these specific dysfunctions is that, after making some initial discovery of a timeless Now or pure Present (either in 3rd-tier structures or higher states), one can step into that Present and then step right through it into what seem to be endless, “deeper,” “higher” realms altogether, a kaleidoscopic cascade of universes upon universes that at one point seem to be nothing but a slight wiggle in this moment’s timeless Now, and then at the next explode into almost infinitely extending real realms that are all alive and invite exploration—with a sign on the door that says “Welcome to Heaven!” This is extremely common in high subtle and low causal states, but if it happens with structures, it tends to happen right here, with the violet meta-mind (due largely to its visionary nature).

In short, getting “lost in heaven” is the most common dysfunction of this level. As a dysfunction, it is—in terms of simple numbers— much more common as a result of a malformation in high subtle or causal states (given that subtle and causal states are much more common than this high altitude, and most states, and their dysfunctions, can be experienced at almost any structure-stage). But this problem is simply the living result of the enactive nature of the real world and the fact that consciousness can co-create an almost endless number of universes, any number of which one can become fixated or semiaddicted to, with straightforwardly dysfunctional results."

f(crocodile) = dysfunction^2

Selling crocodile calculus by the River

 

[James123]

10 minutes ago, petar8p said:

Because your actual life is not matching what you see on psychedelics. 

Get to some hard and deep, nitty-gritty work that will make your life matter in a few years.  Psychedelics are time and energy consuming. It shows that you're not commited to your purpose or developing your craft like mad..

Is it possible to have infinite love sober? 

[Davino]

 

59 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Said the crocodile and smiled 

@Water by the River I expected a more insightful answer, I really took the time to consider what you said and I raised some good points you preferred to overlook.

[Davino]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

Is it possible to have infinite love sober? 

You don't even have basic self-love while sober; otherwise you wouldn't be intoxicating yourself everyday

 

Edited May 23 by Davino

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

You don't even have basic self-love while sober; otherwise you wouldn't be intoxicating yourself everyday

 

I am sorry but this is bs. I am very lovely person. 

[petar8p]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

Is it possible to have infinite love sober? 

Well if it's infinite, it cannot be taken away, right?

[James123]

1 minute ago, petar8p said:

Well if it's infinite, it cannot be taken away, right?

It comes with completely surrendering till being nothing. I have surrender almost my fucking everything lol. But still, I am in love. However, not like Rumi. Who is in infinite love here? Feels the love bone to bone?

[petar8p]

Just now, James123 said:

It comes with completely surrendering till being nothing. I have surrender almost my fucking everything lol. But still, I am in love. However, not like Rumi. Who is in infinite love here? Feels the love bone to bone?

Also, the thing is, you wouldn't crave that. Infinite love. 

There is no reason as to why you would want to experience it all the time, if you have responsibilities and you're grinding on your life, you don't need infinite love then. It would even be counter-productive.  God had to dumb itself down a lot and lose a lot of consciousness to choose to be on Earth and fight for survival and creating something over big periods of time. You will be in paradise again, where you can manifest what you want insatntly. But you get bored of that before you choose to manifest yourself on this planet where it takes a looooot of time and effort to achieve somethng great and leave your legacy. And infinite love, you will find it in your work and creativity. Eating good food. Basic things. That is called the integration. 

[Water by the River]

41 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

@Water by the River I expected a more insightful answer, I really took the time to consider what you said and I raised some good points you preferred to overlook.

Please excuse my sloppy answer. 

It is just when one assumes that no Ego-elements/separate-self-elements are remaining in the psychedelic state... That is a bit, um, 

Contrast it with this here:

Adi Da was quite problematic in other ways  , but here you can get a feeling of what no filters/lenses/clouds looks like. And that is a nondual/infinite/mere appearance/awakened state up the hilt, making the true state of "things" absoltely obvious,  the realization of Absolute Reality/True Being/Infinite Consciousness a no-brainer.

Concerning the last subtle ego/separate-self-clouds/lenses/filters: One just doesn't see them, since there is way to little time in the psychedelic states to transcend these filters/lenses, and normally way to little training in transcending these filters/lenses/clouds done before. One looks THROUGH THEM, and doesn't even notice they are there. And then interprets the infinite nondual experience through them. And what is missing for Enlightenment is the impersonal part: No filters/lenses/clouds left. 

If you would understand/see these (very subtle) filters in these states, you could sustain the enlightened/awakened/boundless/nondual state AFTER the psychedelic has lost its effect.

 

3 hours ago, Davino said:

That's just enlightenment, maybe for enlightenment, meditation and other techniques are more suited, I agree. But there is no ultimate state of consciousness, it just depends on your bias of what is the state you want to abide in, even the state that is beyond all states as enlightenment assumes is but another state of consciousness. I'm biased towards the Infinite states of consciousness, you may be biased towards the everpresent states of consciousness, that's fine we can coexist and explore both and different tools work better to access different states of consciousness. But my initial question was how are psychedelics a trap to access the infinite and Godly states of consciousness and not how psychedelics are trap for accessing the enlightened states of consciousness.   

 

The infinite and "godly" states of consciousness are nothing but a big trap that parade "in front" of your Real Eternal Being. And btw., "classic" full Enlightenment is infinite, nondual and boundless, and mere appearance/imagined. And impersonal. And the "godly", ET or "whatever" states in that case parade "in" it, "in front" of it. 

And its YOU by the way. Just the True You. Not the god-state+reamaining filters/lenses.

When filters/lenses/clouds/ego are switched off, isn't it logical that Awakening/boundless/nondual/mere apperance states just continues (or is no longer covered by duality), making the eternal always here "suchness" of True being available all the time.

Just throw the frog in the mixer and see what remains. What remains is eternal. The rest is just illusion, parading in front of your eternal Being. Ranging from rat to crocodile to human to God to ET.

And ET is better for sexy marketing and probably more fun than throwing the frog in the mixer, I assume. It is just if you throw the frog in the mixer, the imagined crocodiles tend to stay away, because, um, they intuit they would follow the frog into the mixer.

Selling Water by the River

 

Edited May 23 by Water by the River

[Davino]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

I am very lovely person.

You can be very loving in 95% of your life but still have some blind spots and be unloving in some facets of your life.

For example, you don't love your present experience that's why you are chasing infinite love. If you were to love the present moment then you would be at peace. It's by the hating of the now in the contrast with the peak love you are attached to, what constitues a blind spot and an opportunity to love more. In short, to Love the now and to Love yourself.

It's ironic to see that the way you are pursuing infinite love is in fact unloving and unhealthy; deep down you know this and that's the reason you started this thread.

Edited May 23 by Davino

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

I love to trip crazy, I love to go crazy. That's my style lol. I am ready to die always. Lol. 

seems like a terrible way to live tbh. sounds like you are going to really create some problems for yourself if you aren't careful.

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Is it possible to have infinite love sober? 

you are chasing states. very dangerous. flip it. ask yourself why you choose to create disturbance in your day to day life that keep you from being here and enjoying it, experiencing joy and wellbeing. what you are doing is taking something to constantly go up when you should be flipping it and looking at why you have to, why you choose to be down when sober, your actual life that needs you in it. 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

you are chasing states. very dangerous. flip it. ask yourself why you choose to create disturbance in your day to day life that keep you from being here and enjoying it, experiencing joy and wellbeing. what you are doing is taking something to constantly go up when you should be flipping it and looking at why you have to, why you choose to be down when sober, your actual life that needs you in it. 

You are correct. Have you ever felt infinite love?

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

seems like a terrible way to live tbh. sounds like you are going to really create some problems for yourself if you aren't careful.

I already did. 

2 hours ago, Davino said:

You can be very loving in 95% of your life but still have some blind spots and be unloving in some facets of your life.

For example, you don't love your present experience that's why you are chasing infinite love. If you were to love the present moment then you would be at peace. It's by the hating of the now in the contrast with the peak love you are attached to, what constitues a blind spot and an opportunity to love more. In short, to Love the now and to Love yourself.

It's ironic to see that the way you are pursuing infinite love is in fact unloving and unhealthy; deep down you know this and that's the reason you started this thread.

You are correct. Have you ever felt infinite love?

[Leo Gura]

@Water by the River Later, alligator.

[Davino]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Have you ever felt infinite love?

Yes, once. I'm not naturally prone to the Love facet of God, is something I'm working on. What I can call infinite Love I felt once, in the peak of Mushrooms+MDMAtrip. It shooked me to the core, it was so much love it even hurted, my vessel couldn't take such insane levels of Love. I remember exactly the feeling, it surprised me how if someone came to me in that exact moment and viciously stabbed me to death, I would be able only to say one thing, I love you, with tears in my eyes, I love you from the bottom of my heart, I love you... You love death to its death, you conquer death by love, infinite love makes you immortal, it's perfection, more than what you could have ever dreamt. It satisfies you to the soul, all your life searching like a beggar for love, now you are not satisfied, you are infinitely satisfied in an ever abundant fountain of infinite love, that its already as much love as it's existentially possible only to overflow with even more love, again and again and again...

So yeah, I got you bro and who wouldn't want that 24/7 lol. I'm on your side for Infinite Love, for real, Believe me ! I really want, so do you but it's still a trap. The point is that in a way you are searching for the lost paradise from childhood, this is not gonna happen, you need to mature and be satisfied with mundane zen like existence.

 

[Lyubov]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

You are correct. Have you ever felt infinite love?

I already did. 

You are correct. Have you ever felt infinite love?

If what you mean by your label/belief of “infinite love” is the experience of this eternal sense of total acceptance for all that is, no problems, just pure peace, joy, true value. that is what is always true and the backdrop of everything. Then yes.
 

But I’m not interested in discussing your personal state or relating with you on your labels. You made this thread so I’m just warning you that state chasing is incredibly dangerous and limits a much deeper spiritual lesson for appreciation for the nuance of life when you may often be away from this state. Like I said: instead of going up, why do you choose to go down? Looking into answering that question and unpacking that will take a lot of work and is the key to you tapping into what you get from your mushroom trips while sober. To answer your question, yes it’s possible to live this while sober, but you have to develop yourself and have a much greater and accepting appreciation for all that will come your way while you come into this balance sober. Good luck to you. 

[petar8p]

Yes bro, you gotta relize you made this topic in order to get help. You got more than enough. The question is can you face your BS, start building discipline and apply it?

[James123]

2 hours ago, petar8p said:

Yes bro, you gotta relize you made this topic in order to get help. You got more than enough. The question is can you face your BS, start building discipline and apply it?

I have already stop using psychedelics, it's been 4 days now. And I will not use again. I am done with it. Thank you. 

[James123]

5 hours ago, Lyubov said:

If what you mean by your label/belief of “infinite love” is the experience of this eternal sense of total acceptance for all that is, no problems, just pure peace, joy, true value. that is what is always true and the backdrop of everything. Then yes.
 

But I’m not interested in discussing your personal state or relating with you on your labels. You made this thread so I’m just warning you that state chasing is incredibly dangerous and limits a much deeper spiritual lesson for appreciation for the nuance of life when you may often be away from this state. Like I said: instead of going up, why do you choose to go down? Looking into answering that question and unpacking that will take a lot of work and is the key to you tapping into what you get from your mushroom trips while sober. To answer your question, yes it’s possible to live this while sober, but you have to develop yourself and have a much greater and accepting appreciation for all that will come your way while you come into this balance sober. Good luck to you. 

You are right brother. Thank you.

Peace!!!

[James123]

7 hours ago, Davino said:

I remember exactly the feeling, it surprised me how if someone came to me in that exact moment and viciously stabbed me to death, I would be able only to say one thing, I love you, with tears in my eyes, I love you from the bottom of my heart, I love you...

😂 😂 😂 😂 Yes, that's what exactly I am talking about. 😂 

7 hours ago, Davino said:

You love death to its death, you conquer death by love, infinite love makes you immortal, it's perfection, more than what you could have ever dreamt. It satisfies you to the soul, all your life searching like a beggar for love, now you are not satisfied, you are infinitely satisfied in an ever abundant fountain of infinite love, that its already as much love as it's existentially possible only to overflow with even more love, again and again and again...

So yeah, I got you bro and who wouldn't want that 24/7 lol. I'm on your side for Infinite Love, for real, Believe me ! I really want, so do you but it's still a trap. The point is that in a way you are searching for the lost paradise from childhood, this is not gonna happen, you need to mature and be satisfied with mundane zen like existence.

Definitely brother. Great explanation. Thank you very much for your input and help.