The Unfathomable Depth Of Consciousness

[Ahbapx]

10 hours ago, A Fellow Lighter said:

What you have to realize is that a "rock" is an idea made upon the foundation of consciousness. The rock is part of the land, but the "land" itself is also an idea that you conceived upon consciousness. The land is part of the biosphere, but the "biosphere" is also an idea you made up upon consciousness. The biosphere encompasses living things, but "living things" and "non-living things" is also an idea you made up upon consciousness. You are a living thing, but "you" are also an idea that you conceived upon consciousness. 

You probably get the pattern at this point: one idea leads to another idea. There is no way for one thing such as an idea to lead into something that is not such as truth. Only the foundation is the truth, because it is 'found' and not conceived. 

You ask what kind of consciousness can't be aware of itself or anything else, assuming that the rock is also consciousness. But what if consciousness is as simple as the mere fact of you noticing the rock is, for a matter of fact, the rock noticing itself? Isn't everything between you and the rock merely an idea?

All of creation is consciousness, my friend. Even now, there is nothing between me and you, we are one thing, one being, we are the same consciousness. Everything else is merely an idea, a thought, etc.

When you say "everything is consciousness", it is as meaningless as saying everything is air, water, electricity, or energy.

 Just like how religions claim man is made out of soil or water, it is not literally the case.

We are not Soilman, and we are not Waterman, We contain certain aspects from the soil, and from water, we are a biological entity with many different components.

 

Similarly, we are not the finite consciousness, NOR we are the infinite consciousness.

Consciousness is part of us along with many unconscious bio mechanisms. 

If you were consciousness, when you are in deep sleep, do you cease to exist?

Do you say, I got shut down? No, because many functions of you still working when you are in deep sleep.

Only your consciousness gets shut down temporarly.

 

Edited May 21 by Ahbapx

[A Fellow Lighter]

1 hour ago, Ahbapx said:

If you were consciousness, when you are in deep sleep, do you cease to exist?

Do you say, I got shut down? No, because many functions of you still working when you are in deep sleep.

Only your consciousness gets shut down temporarly.

This depends on how you interpret deep sleep, don't you think? The way I see it, the mind is capable of thoughtful consciousness which brings about the reality of finitide and it is also capable of thoughtless consciousness which reveals the infinite nature of consciousness. 

The fact of the matter is, when you wake up even from deep sleep you still know that you were sleeping and you also know that you had a dreamless sleep. It is not as though there is a period in your experience which has just gone missing without a trace and left this inexplicably gap in your memory, right? 

So what is the source of this knowledge? It's not like someone has to tell you that you had just had a dreamless sleep. You are consciousness. You know exactly when you enter a thoughtless state as well as when you enter a thoughtful one. Right now, reading this, you are very much aware that this is a thoughtful state or your so-called wakeful state. You also know when the contrary is true. You know when you've entered deep sleep, no one has to tell you this.

Consciousness doesn't shut down, it merely transitions from one state into another. It's dynamic, not as static as you might think of it.

[Ahbapx]

2 minutes ago, A Fellow Lighter said:

This depends on how you interpret deep sleep, don't you think? The way I see it, the mind is capable of thoughtful consciousness which brings about the reality of finitide and it is also capable of thoughtless consciousness which reveals the infinite nature of consciousness. 

The fact of the matter is, when you wake up even from deep sleep you still know that you were sleeping and you also know that you had a dreamless sleep. It is not as though there is a period in your experience which has just gone missing without a trace and left this inexplicably gap in your memory, right? 

So what is the source of this knowledge? It's not like someone has to tell you that you had just had a dreamless sleep. You are consciousness. You know exactly when you enter a thoughtless state as well as when you enter a thoughtful one. Right now, reading this, you are very much aware that this is a thoughtful state or your so-called wakeful state. You also know when the contrary is true. You know when you've entered deep sleep, no one has to tell you this.

Consciousness doesn't shut down, it merely transitions from one state into another. It's dynamic, not as static as you might think of it.

You are not aware when you are in deep sleep.

Except for basic functions that are necessary in deep sleep that is receptible to discern danger or something important etc,

Your consciousness will not process anything else.

If you yell at someone who is in deep sleep, the sound wave intensity will trigger an unconscious chain of reaction that will wake the person up by activating the consciousness again.

That is not a conscious process, a completely automatic, analog,  unconscious one.

 

When you wake up, you don't necessarily need to know that you had a dream, because you might have forgotten. But you know you slept well, and assume you were in deep sleep, because of the lack of counter-evidence. You reflect back and assume, that was a a deep sleep, you never say I am in deep sleep right now.

[Breakingthewall]

21 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is nowhere to go and no progress to be made. This is already completion

21 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

Sure but movement is happening, the cosmos is dancing, and it's impossible to understand it's dance. Or maybe could be possible in some extent? But the infinity is in movement and it's movement is perfect and symchronic, that's a fact. Everything seems that moves to more complexity, more depth, harmony, perfection. Just perceive what you are, your complexity, all your depth. You are an structure of reality of unimaginable complexity in perfect harmony, everything is that. The cosmos is art of a level that we can only intuit. The glory of god blinds, kills. Inside us a supernova of intelligence is burning, expanding it's limits and creating structures and structures out nothing, just to create. And all of them are synchronized to infinity, the human mind can just humble itself and move apart 

Edited May 21 by Breakingthewall

[ivankiss]

On 5/20/2024 at 8:34 PM, A Fellow Lighter said:

You are a thought. Everything you do is a thought. Even your dreams are thoughts. The only difference between everything mentioned is frequency (or strength), otherwise it is all literally one thing – Thought. 

What the ego mind won't fathom is that it's identity is a thought. What the ego mind won't fathom is that its life is a thought. What the ego mind won't fathom is that all of its knowledge is a thought. What the ego mind won't fathom is that all of its desires and pursuits are thought. What the ego mind won't fathom is that the only point of its existence is consciousness, anything else is just a finite thought. 

Consciousness is the only meaning, the only point to reality, the only cause and effect. 

Very nice post. 

Flew over most people's heads here, but nevertheless. 

Outside of thought, outside of understanding, is infinite being.

[A Fellow Lighter]

19 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

You are not aware when you are in deep sleep.

You might not be aware of your so-called physical environment, sure. But you are definitely aware of something, even if that something seems like nothing. 

19 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

When you wake up, you don't necessarily need to know that you had a dream, because you might have forgotten. But you know you slept well, and assume you were in deep sleep, because of the lack of counter-evidence.

People can often distinguish between having had a dreamless sleep and having had a dreamful sleep, even though they might have forgotten the dream itself. It is almost never necessary to assume that you had just had a dreamless sleep. You know that your sleep was dream. And you do know when you had a dream although, for the life of you, you cannot seem to remember the details of the dream or what you were dreaming about. 

20 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

you never say I am in deep sleep right now.

Yes, that is true. And the reason this is true is that deep sleep is the absence of thought. And any statement made is a thought, that includes "I am in deep sleep right now." See?

So the only way your argument can stand is if there is deed a moment of unconsciousness that you can reference. Does such a moment exist? Can such a moment exist? Is there a point in time in which a person is not aware of anything, internal and external? 

People do know the difference between a dreamless sleep and a dreamful one. Whether they can remember the detail of the dream or not makes no difference. 

[A Fellow Lighter]

15 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Very nice post. 

Thank you.

 

[Ahbapx]

15 hours ago, A Fellow Lighter said:

You might not be aware of your so-called physical environment, sure. But you are definitely aware of something, even if that something seems like nothing. 

People can often distinguish between having had a dreamless sleep and having had a dreamful sleep, even though they might have forgotten the dream itself. It is almost never necessary to assume that you had just had a dreamless sleep. You know that your sleep was dream. And you do know when you had a dream although, for the life of you, you cannot seem to remember the details of the dream or what you were dreaming about. 

Yes, that is true. And the reason this is true is that deep sleep is the absence of thought. And any statement made is a thought, that includes "I am in deep sleep right now." See?

So the only way your argument can stand is if there is deed a moment of unconsciousness that you can reference. Does such a moment exist? Can such a moment exist? Is there a point in time in which a person is not aware of anything, internal and external? 

People do know the difference between a dreamless sleep and a dreamful one. Whether they can remember the detail of the dream or not makes no difference. 

What are you aware of in deep sleep? While dreaming you are awake to a certain extent. But in deep sleep, there is almost nothing. 99% of your awareness is gone, maybe there are times when it is 100% in anesthesia or something.