Behind the eyes POV

[James123]

6 hours ago, Dodo said:

are you in control of your mind, or is it in control of you?

İt is impossible the control the mind. Either it controls you or you just do not listen to it. 

[Ahbapx]

7 hours ago, Dodo said:

Consciousness is the background of your experience right now. I get that your experience is finite, but have you ever explored the background? That which allows your finite experience to be known and to be, to exist? How can you place a boundary on that, when its not an object to be perceived?

This is where you assume that consciousness in the background is infinite. However, there is no evidence for your claim; it could be a finite or ephemeral phenomenon. I simply mean that "God consciousness" and human consciousness could be separate things.

I was trying to get to the core evolutionary causality that creates a 'mind,' and what this 'mind' is. Since you didn't answer twice, let's leave it at that.

 

[Dodo]

8 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

This is where you assume that consciousness in the background is infinite. However, there is no evidence for your claim; it could be a finite or ephemeral phenomenon. I simply mean that "God consciousness" and human consciousness could be separate things.

I was trying to get to the core evolutionary causality that creates a 'mind,' and what this 'mind' is. Since you didn't answer twice, let's leave it at that.

 

I dont have the answers for you. I thought you are looking for an honest investigation of reality, not more mind stuff. 

[Dodo]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

İt is impossible the control the mind. Either it controls you or you just do not listen to it. 

 

You cant control it per se, but you can direct it, like a grand orchestra. You don't control the orchestra, but you can conduct it. 

 

Edited May 26 by Dodo

[Dodo]

9 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

This is where you assume that consciousness in the background is infinite. However, there is no evidence for your claim; it could be a finite or ephemeral phenomenon. I simply mean that "God consciousness" and human consciousness could be separate things.

I was trying to get to the core evolutionary causality that creates a 'mind,' and what this 'mind' is. Since you didn't answer twice, let's leave it at that.

 

Its not a phenomenon. 

Are you seriously theorising about the space in which your experience arises? You dont have a direct point of reference for that you need to theorise about it? Lol

[Dodo]

@Ahbapx 

 

[James123]

2 hours ago, Dodo said:

 

You cant control it per se, but you can direct it, like a grand orchestra. You don't control the orchestra, but you can conduct it. 

 

But even directing comes by thinking. Therefore, deconstruction of mind is happening with/within the mind.

[Ahbapx]

2 hours ago, Dodo said:

Its not a phenomenon. 

Are you seriously theorising about the space in which your experience arises? You dont have a direct point of reference for that you need to theorise about it? Lol

 Just because we are aware of this "space", doesn't mean we are entitled to know what it is. You are theorizing about it as well.  You are the one who is attributing 'imaginary' qualities to the space that we both experience right now. In your experience, you don't know whether that "space"  is God or not. But the good news is maybe your theory is right! 

 

And yes, I stopped meditating and watching gurus years ago. I don't like it anymore.

[Dodo]

4 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

 Just because we are aware of this "space", doesn't mean we are entitled to know what it is. You are theorizing about it as well.  You are the one who is attributing 'imaginary' qualities to the space that we both experience right now. In your experience, you don't know whether that "space"  is God or not. But the good news is maybe your theory is right! 

 

And yes, I stopped meditating and watching gurus years ago. I don't like it anymore.

Ok lets not talk about God. 

Whether reality is a dream or not, real or hallucinated, the space in which it appears is absolutely real. That space is you. 

Dont take my word for it, during a dream You are inside your fantasy world. The same You that is conscious now is conscious in your dream. Everything there is illusory, except the You in which the dream appears. 

The same for waking. The space which holds your mind is undeniably real, and it cannot be perceived as an object. You already mentioned, the only way to know it is to be it. 

[Dodo]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

But even directing comes by thinking. Therefore, deconstruction of mind is happening with/within the mind.

That's overthinking it. 

 

4 hours ago, Ahbapx said:

 Just because we are aware of this "space", doesn't mean we are entitled to know what it is. You are theorizing about it as well.  You are the one who is attributing 'imaginary' qualities to the space that we both experience right now. In your experience, you don't know whether that "space"  is God or not. But the good news is maybe your theory is right! 

 

And yes, I stopped meditating and watching gurus years ago. I don't like it anymore.

 Try this 

 

Drop all labels, its never about the labels, but about what they point to. 

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[James123]

Just now, Dodo said:

That's overthinking it. 

Than Tell me the correct way to let go.

[Dodo]

Just now, James123 said:

Than Tell me the correct way to let go.

Correct way to let go, I already posted two Masters telling you how to connect to the deeper Self. Mooji and Rupert Spira. 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Correct way to let go, I already posted two Masters telling you how to connect to the deeper Self. Mooji and Rupert Spira. 

You are already what you are. There is no connection needed. İ am talking from the Real Self. Who write these sentences are the ego. 

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

You are already what you are. There is no connection needed. İ am talking from the Real Self. Who write these sentences are the ego. 

Use this thorn to remove the other thorn, but don't forget to discard both thorns. 

You are not 2 things right? If I ask you how many Yous are there, a normal person would respond 1. 

That means you are either only the True self or only the Ego. What is the Ego? The Ego is what you THINK you are. 

So you are empty consciousness, but think you are the ego. So a pointing is needed to start dissolving your belief of who you are by being clearly that which you actually are. For this one needs to remove the objects of experience and rest in Himself. You do it every night in deep sleep and you come back from the source refreshed. Why not do it while awake? Meditation 

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Dodo said:

That means you are either only the True self or only the Ego. What is the Ego? The Ego is what you THINK you are. 

So you are empty consciousness, but think you are the ego. So a pointing is needed to start dissolving your belief of who you are by being clearly that which you actually are. For this one needs to remove the objects of experience and rest in Himself. You do it every night in deep sleep and you come back from the source refreshed. Why not do it while awake? Meditation 

 

If you are breathing, you are still ignorant and loser. 

 

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

 

If you are breathing, you are still ignorant and loser. 

 

Wtf? 😆 alligators are conscious breathers,  make sure you dont piss them off like that. 

 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

Wtf? 😆 alligators are conscious breathers,  make sure you dont piss them off like that. 

 

How do you know, are you an alligator? Are they exist when you are in deep sleep?

[Dodo]

Just now, James123 said:

How do you know, are you an alligator? Are they exist when you are in deep sleep?

Alligators are conscious breathers so they dont accidentally breathe in water 😆 

[Ahbapx]

5 hours ago, Dodo said:

Ok lets not talk about God. 

Whether reality is a dream or not, real or hallucinated, the space in which it appears is absolutely real. That space is you. 

Dont take my word for it, during a dream You are inside your fantasy world. The same You that is conscious now is conscious in your dream. Everything there is illusory, except the You in which the dream appears. 

The same for waking. The space which holds your mind is undeniably real, and it cannot be perceived as an object. You already mentioned, the only way to know it is to be it. 

You are coping buddy. I can see through your attempts to rationalize, deny, or avoid the real problem here.

[Dodo]

18 minutes ago, Ahbapx said:

You are coping buddy. I can see through your attempts to rationalize, deny, or avoid the real problem here.

My bad

Im not seeking anything, I was trying to help by getting my point across. I have no problem currently.

If you are also not seeking anything from this conversation, everyone is happy! But you have a problem?

 

Edited May 26 by Dodo