Why being a criminal is a bad idea

[Butters]

Don't know why I wanted to write this but here we go. 

First of all, you look like an absolute tool. In the eyes of a mature person, the criminal looks like a deluded and juvenile individual. The tradegy of course is that the criminal thinks that he is smarter than and above mainstream society, while in actuality his attitude and thinking is just laughable. When push comes to shove, mainstream society will always win. 

The arrogance and selfishness is so opaque to a developed person or society, they're really extremely vulnerable. 

Second, more obvious, you have a high chance of going to jail or being taken by other criminals. The whole joke is that you think you're smarter than the rest while everyone else in the industry thinks the same. 

Third, you can never develop yourself or seriously engage in any of this work. Even when you do try to develop yourself, you'll run into limitations from your environment. You don't wanna look like a bitch in from of your peers. 

Fourth, even when you do make it out, you'll forever be haunted by your past. Trying to become a sensitive good person later in life while having a criminal past is nearly impossible. Unless perhaps literally everyone from back then is dead. 

Everyone likes to watch movies of smart criminals who end up winning the game but this is false. Truly the absolute top criminals all become scared later in life, but there is no recourse. Imagine now having a daughter and hundreds of dangerous guys trying to harm you and your family, absolute nightnmare existence. 

The best thing that can happen to you on this path is you are such a failed criminal that you give up on the whole thing and just go clean. 

Edited May 18 by Butters

[Nilsi]

16 minutes ago, Butters said:

Don't know why I wanted to write this but here we go. 

First of all, you look like an absolute tool. In the eyes of a mature person, the criminal looks like a deluded and juvenile individual. The tradegy of course is that the criminal thinks that he is smarter than and above mainstream society, while in actuality his attitude and thinking is just laughable. When push comes to shove, mainstream society will always win. 

The arrogance and selfishness is so opaque to a developed person or society, they're really extremely vulnerable. 

Second, more obvious, you have a high chance of going to jail or being taken by other criminals. The whole joke is that you think you're smarter than the rest while everyone else in the industry thinks the same. 

Third, you can never develop yourself or seriously engage in any of this work. Even when you do try to develop yourself, you'll run into limitations from your environment. You don't wanna look like a bitch in from of your peers. 

Fourth, even when you do make it out, you'll forever be haunted by your past. Trying to become a sensitive good person later in life while having a criminal past is nearly impossible. Unless perhaps literally everyone from back then is dead. 

Everyone likes to watch movies of smart criminals who end up winning the game but this is false. Truly the absolute top criminals all become scared later in life, but there is no recourse. Imagine now having a daughter and hundreds of dangerous guys trying to harm you and your family, absolute nightnmare existence. 

The best thing that can happen to you on this path is you are such a failed criminal that you give up on the whole thing and just go clean. 

It's a dangerous game, and I agree with your analysis that this often stems from a sense of superiority over others and an addiction to seeing how much one can get away with. Some psychoanalysts believe that this is an acting out of the Freudian "Death Drive," where criminals secretly wish to be caught and punished, leading to self-sabotaging behavior that fulfills this desire.

A more nuanced psychological analysis would probably distinguish such perverts (if you allow) from professionals who are actually in it for the money, power, status, or whatever - these are the people who end up running serious criminal operations, often without ever being caught or even appearing on anyone's radar.

[Butters]

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

It's a dangerous game, and I agree with your analysis that this often stems from a sense of superiority over others and an addiction to seeing how much one can get away with. Some psychoanalysts believe that this is an acting out of the Freudian "Death Drive," where criminals secretly wish to be caught and punished, leading to self-sabotaging behavior that fulfills this desire.

A more nuanced psychological analysis would probably distinguish such perverts (if you allow) from professionals who are actually in it for the money, power, status, or whatever - these are the people who end up running serious criminal operations, often without ever being caught or even appearing on anyone's radar.

Interesting angle with the Freudian stuff, some truth there I think. 

The problem is the "professionals" fall into the exact same traps and come from the same immature psychology. And nobody knows who gets caught and who doesn't. The longer you play, the higher the chances of being caught. Safer to get caught early lol. 

[Nilsi]

Just now, Nilsi said:

It's a dangerous game, and I agree with your analysis that this often stems from a sense of superiority over others and an addiction to seeing how much one can get away with. Some psychoanalysts believe that this is an acting out of the Freudian "Death Drive," where criminals secretly wish to be caught and punished, leading to self-sabotaging behavior that fulfills this desire.

A more nuanced psychological analysis would probably distinguish such perverts (if you allow) from professionals who are actually in it for the money, power, status, or whatever - these are the people who end up running serious criminal operations, often without ever being caught or even appearing on anyone's radar.

Also, don't underestimate the appeal of criminals, especially to women. Criminal behavior is highly attractive to many women, as it is a proxy for evolutionarily adaptive traits in men, such as competence and dominance. Many notorious criminals, including terrorists, serial killers, and rapists, receive thousands of love letters in prison from women worldwide. Additionally, women often seek out porn that involves violence and socially transgressive behavior. If it weren't prohibited on surface-web porn sites, i bet you there would be a significant interest in roleplay involving criminal activity.

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Butters said:

The problem is the "professionals" fall into the exact same traps and come from the same immature psychology. And nobody knows who gets caught and who doesn't. The longer you play, the higher the chances of being caught. Safer to get caught early lol. 

We can debate whether criminal activity (which is a highly relativistic notion anyway) is intrinsically immature, but be assured that the true professionals in this game can get much farther than you could ever comprehend without running into any legal consequences.

[Butters]

11 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Also, don't underestimate the appeal of criminals, especially to women. Criminal behavior is highly attractive to many women, as it is a proxy for evolutionarily adaptive traits in men, such as competence and dominance. Many notorious criminals, including terrorists, serial killers, and rapists, receive thousands of love letters in prison from women worldwide. Additionally, women often seek out porn that involves violence and socially transgressive behavior. If it weren't prohibited on surface-web porn sites, i bet you there would be a significant interest in roleplay involving criminal activity.

I see what you're saying but this is not entirely true. Women are attracted to confidence. So if in an environment criminals are showing the most confidence then women are attracted to that. But a girl you just sleep with doesn't give a damn about your profession, that's not what creates the attraction. Sexual aggression yes. 

[bebotalk]

Laws exist to promote a common good. 

People don't commit crimes since they don't want to be caught or punished, or value the concept of a common good.

 

[BEWISE]

There is some hint of truth in some of your statements.  There is a element of criminal behavior in human nature that we overlook. Because we have billionaires (bernie Madoff) who obvious didn't have to scam all those people. Society is better without crime but it is part of the system. Because in a capitalist society everyone is looking for an edge or advantage over the next guy. I don't condone crime but when you have a hiearchy in society the lower class people will be jealous of the affluent . There are too many variables to judge people in my opinion because people have different circumstances. Western society loves the bad guy the drug dealers the bank robbers and that can be very impressionable to younger people who have yet to find themselves. Good thing that society does have second chances for people who have made a bad choice.

[Basman]

I wonder where you get your "data" from to make these statements. The biggest predictor of criminality is poverty. Often what you'll see is that criminals are people who lacked opportunities, good role models and education. Disenfranchisement increases the likelihood of antisocial behavior as current society isn't beneficial as is. 

From a Spiral Dynamics perspective, you could say that criminals are typically Stage Red and therefor most likely come from a Stage Red background which are generally resource poor (inciting vicious competition).

It can be very challenging to put criminality behind you if you rely on it financially and lack marketable skills, and having a record is like having a permanent debuff when trying to get a job, etc. The prison system in most countries tends to entrench people into crime because it disenfranchises them further from wider society. 

When you hear the stories of how someone became a criminal, I think it is very understandable why they made the choices they did if your willing to listen.

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[LordFall]

There is definitely a big limit on how much you can achieve by being against the system; eventually, you have to merge back. What's the next step after a massive drug lord completely dominates the industry? Takes over the government? Then what; makes a country based on drug dealing? Where does he send his kids afterward; regular school or drug dealing school? 

I think Breaking Bad is the perfect story of the full arc of a criminal where Heinsenberg got into drug dealing to help his family then after it destroys everything he realizes it was really to fulfill his power and egotic ambitions. 

[puporing]

Thank you this was healing to read..

I'm dealing with a very bad one right now who is extremely smart and good at acting when they have to. Basically a "demon". Since I am extremely connected with spirit it didn't take much to alert me what was going on, but other people don't have this ability to sniff out how a criminal operates quickly. To actually prove things might require police assistance which isn't available until one gets something from a judge.

Literally exploiting the system's loopholes due to lack of affordability of lawyers for this particular situation. It's a "gang" preying on poor and under-educated, mentally challenged people and absentee landlords. Absolutely disgusting to watch and I've gotten physically sick a few of times already dealing with this person (the internal thief that made it possible). It's a very bad spirit when you're dealing with someone that's absolutely committed to their actions with zero signs of remorse. The underlying attitude of "whatchu gonna do about it?"

They really do exist.

Edited May 20 by puporing

[mmKay]

Nah, if you are a sociopath/psychopath it's mostly upsides and you can't help it. It's just so juicy its like honey for an ant.

You don't understand how many people get away with sketchy sh*t. The upsides are real.

Ofc don't do it though 

[Ajay0]

Being a criminal is a bad idea when there are good systems for maintaining law and order, progress for all and justice. In such a case it is one's vices that is prompting one to crime and erroneous conduct which deserve punishment and correction. 

However, when there are no good systems for the same , and one is unable to satisfy one's basic needs ( as opposed to desires)  inspite of all one's efforts in this regard, then one can exercise one's judgement to being a criminal for the greater good. 

Robin Hood was a robber and thief, but he is not considered and vilified as a criminal . Instead he is commended and applauded as a hero in popular consciousness.

The enlightened sage Meher Baba states in this regard...

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Good as well as evil have an undeniable relationship with the circumstances. No judgment can be passed on the goodness or other aspect of any action without considering the concrete context in which the judgment is called for. An act which is normally undeniably evil may under special circumstances be not only defensible but praiseworthy.

Take for example the following exceptional case. Suppose a mother has given birth to a baby and has not her own milk to feed it. The baby has to be fed on cow's milk, which is very difficult to obtain. A neighbor may have some cow's milk but the other knows that he will not part with it for money or for any philanthropic consideration even though he does not need it himself. Under such circumstances, if a person steals the cow's milk and feeds it to the newborn baby in order to keep it alive, the act of stealing is in this case not only justifiable but definitely good. ~ Meher Baba