How 150+ IQ people don't wake up is beyond me

[caspex]

I think of intelligence as having better clarity in a certain area of life. If you are gifted with IQ maybe you have amazing clarity regarding mathematics, geometry and space. But there are other fields, such as people, emotions, or metaphysics. If you have clarity in spiritual matters, only then might you achieve awakening without anyone telling you about it. High IQ doesn't imply high clarity in metaphysics, philosophy or self-awareness.

[Davino]

There many different types of intelligence: there is logical intelligence, emotional intelligence, Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence...

There's also philosophical or existential intelligence.

The former is what society ranks more in these tests, the latter is what is beneficial for Awakening.

Holistic Intelligence would be intelligence in all these domains, Alien Intelligence?

It's actually fascinating to contemplate about this.

Intelligence is it's own reward; a unique joy.

[Loveeee]

I mean it's a fucking joke, the hard problem of consciousness etc 

How can humanity be so impossibly clueless 

[Inliytened1]

59 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I mean it's a fucking joke, the hard problem of consciousness etc 

How can humanity be so impossibly clueless 

No its the beautiful work of God.  The goal of God for this illusion is to keep you in the illusion.  God is good at what he does.   The reason is so it can completely lose itself.   It is the sole purpose of the dream - or any dream.  This is a feature and not a bug.

If everyone awakened so easily there couldn't be reality.

Edited May 18 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

There many different types of intelligence: there is logical intelligence, emotional intelligence, Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence...

There's also philosophical or existential intelligence.

The former is what society ranks more in these tests, the latter is what is beneficial for Awakening.

Holistic Intelligence would be intelligence in all these domains, Alien Intelligence?

It's actually fascinating to contemplate about this.

Intelligence is it's own reward; a unique joy.

Great stuff.

[Loveeee]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If everyone awakened so easily there couldn't be reality.

I can see that, yet so easy in retrospect 

Magical level of self-deception 

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I can see that, yet so easy in retrospect 

Magical level of self-deception 

Pure genius 😀 now that's genius - not some scientist that discovered quantum entanglement...that's good - but that's peanuts.

Edited May 18 by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

No requisites, except getting it.

[Javfly33]

10 hours ago, Loveeee said:

These fictional characters are supposedly geniuses but never figure out consciousness ?

And what about the collective intelligence of humanity, how can humanity still be asleep ?

The relative world is false and therefore bound to have inherent plot holes (matter, space, time, etc) and maybe this is yet another one, maybe awakening is detrimental to survival to the point that you actually couldn't have society as we know it without it being unexplainably dumb at some point, with dumb geniuses 

precisely because they are intelligent the ability to let go of their knowledge and accept they are utterly ignorant about life will be way more difficult.

When you identify yourself with your intelligence or how smart you are, think about how difficult is going to be to precisely let go of that. 

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How can humanity be so impossibly clueless 

The problem is they think they know. If they'd accept they don´t know what the hell is this experience the possibility of seeking that knowing would be there. But humanity thinks it nows very well what is this reality. So is going to be an exploration with that attitude? No. There only be exploration and study of the dream, which is what science and knowledge is (nothing bad with that but is limited isn´t it?)

 

@Inliytened1 

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If everyone awakened so easily there couldn't be reality.

Why not? Aren´t we able to have parties and interact with each other while on MDMA? A world awake would be a great massive fucking party .

Of course once we would be there, the acceleration to end the dream would start to be close. Because one it starts to not be a self or identity anymore the point of surviving as a self stops making sense.

And when still there is a world to awaken you can tell yourself is Ok to keep playing the character in order to help others awaken. But when others are already awoke...welll... you would basically be playing games with your own self... LoL. So yeah, let´s say there could be a reality, we could probably enjoy 1000 years of humanity being in bliss with other and understand deep things about the dream. (Withouth a completely pleasurable state of energy you can not explore the deep structure of the dream)

 At one point we would ended though, you are right in that sense. 

Edited May 18 by Javfly33

[numbersinarow]

IQ =/= intelligence, let alone knowledge.

But you can find any forum where people think anything, and claim that they are surprised or that it's beyond them, (or some variation), that there are outsiders who don't agree.

[Yimpa]

The assumption here is that when you wake up you are still a human. 

[Inliytened1]

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

precisely because they are intelligent the ability to let go of their knowledge and accept they are utterly ignorant about life will be way more difficult.

When you identify yourself with your intelligence or how smart you are, think about how difficult is going to be to precisely let go of that. 

The problem is they think they know. If they'd accept they don´t know what the hell is this experience the possibility of seeking that knowing would be there. But humanity thinks it nows very well what is this reality. So is going to be an exploration with that attitude? No. There only be exploration and study of the dream, which is what science and knowledge is (nothing bad with that but is limited isn´t it?)

 

@Inliytened1 

Why not? Aren´t we able to have parties and interact with each other while on MDMA? A world awake would be a great massive fucking party .

Of course once we would be there, the acceleration to end the dream would start to be close. Because one it starts to not be a self or identity anymore the point of surviving as a self stops making sense.

And when still there is a world to awaken you can tell yourself is Ok to keep playing the character in order to help others awaken. But when others are already awoke...welll... you would basically be playing games with your own self... LoL. So yeah, let´s say there could be a reality, we could probably enjoy 1000 years of humanity being in bliss with other and understand deep things about the dream. (Withouth a completely pleasurable state of energy you can not explore the deep structure of the dream)

 At one point we would ended though, you are right in that sense. 

Is a lucid dream as real? No. Yes - if everyone was enlightened it would be a much better place.  You're right- but then there couldn't be the aspect of being fooled.  Being fooled and forgetting its just a big game IS reality.  Think about that. But yes,  eventually it will happen.  Whether it be we destroy ourselves or we all awaken  All dreams are meant to end.

Edited May 18 by Inliytened1

[Loveeee]

11 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Why not?

Awakening is about deconstruction and in that sense is anti-survival 

Constructing a career, constructing a family, etc

If humans could wake up too easily there would be no humans 

[OldManCorcoran]

The man with the highest recorded IQ currently, wrote some Advaita Vedanta type theory of existence. Also some very famous Western physicists in the past were fixated on Vedanta and wrote books about it.

It seems more about a certain shift in the brain than any sort of intelligence, because drugs can induce apparent revelations that way in redneck hicks and whatever else. I doubt IQ makes a person more susceptible to that... Might be less, arguably, because a lot of higher IQ people are overthinkers and thus resistant to altered states of perception like hypnosis, meditation, etc. They can't quiet their mental activity.

[Javfly33]

On 18/5/2024 at 6:07 PM, Inliytened1 said:

Is a lucid dream as real? No. Yes - if everyone was enlightened it would be a much better place.  You're right- but then there couldn't be the aspect of being fooled.  Being fooled and forgetting its just a big game IS reality.  Think about that. But yes,  eventually it will happen.  Whether it be we destroy ourselves or we all awaken  All dreams are meant to end.

 

On 18/5/2024 at 9:18 PM, Loveeee said:

Awakening is about deconstruction and in that sense is anti-survival 

Constructing a career, constructing a family, etc

If humans could wake up too easily there would be no humans 

After enlightment your human Life have sense! If not more. Before your human Life revolved around you, now It revolves around your true you, Infinite you.

The Mindfuck IS since you are infinite and others are You, and you Love Yourself, other completely new Game starts: Others suffering become your suffering in a way, so now you crrate your whole life around Awakening and helping other people.

Is not that you suffer though, but you feel inmense Infinite compassion for your self. 

Edited May 20 by Javfly33

[Carl-Richard]

Because IQ works at the level of basic cognition (imagery, symbol manipulation, working memory). Awakening is in a sense trans-cognitive. You step out of the basic mind.

[OBEler]

150 is not enough. Look at Chris langan with an IQ from 210.He figured out. Completely without psychedelics, without any help of an spiritual teacher. Maybe even without any spiritual exercise. Just through his intelligence and hardcore technical analysis of reality. At least that's what he claims.

Edited May 29 by OBEler

[UnbornTao]

For the same reason that drinking coffee within a dream won't wake you up. We're talking about different domains.

[Dodo]

On 17/05/2024 at 10:21 PM, Loveeee said:

These fictional characters are supposedly geniuses but never figure out consciousness ?

And what about the collective intelligence of humanity, how can humanity still be asleep ?

The relative world is false and therefore bound to have inherent plot holes (matter, space, time, etc) and maybe this is yet another one, maybe awakening is detrimental to survival to the point that you actually couldn't have society as we know it without it being unexplainably dumb at some point, with dumb geniuses 

If you look upon other people as not IT, your realisation is not complete. How can you judge them? Consciousness works in mysterious ways. Please don't tell me you know how it beings all animals, insects, people! You talk about 150IQ individuals? They are exquisite works of Consciousness. Don't try to change anyone, reality is as it is, accept it!

 

Edited May 29 by Dodo

[Yimpa]

How much IQ does God have?