What is the martial arts trap?

[Davino]

@Basman Martial arts teach you precisely that. If you train you will see how limited you actually are and you won't overstimate your capabilities on the streets. This is a common thread among practiciones, the more they practice the more they would avoid an actual fight because they know how unpredictable is a street combat.

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Basman Martial arts teach you precisely that. If you train you will see how limited you actually are and you won't overstimate your capabilities on the streets. This is a common thread among practiciones, the more they practice the more they would avoid an actual fight because they know how unpredictable is a street combat.

   True, and I feel like this man, while he's intelligent and maybe wise and experienced, still needs to develop past this martial arts trap:

   For about 15 or so years he's been addressing and attacking dogmatically BJJ and Joe Rogan!

Edited May 25 by Danioover9000

[Leo Gura]

A real world fight is very different from MMA. I saw a serious fight break out in the casino lobby. One of the guys grabbed a chair and was swinging it to kill the other guy, and the friends of both sides were there both fighting and trying to stop the fight. It was total chaos. It took like 15 security guards to break it up.

In a real world fight you would never want to fight with bare fists, you would want to grab the nearest blunt object.

Imagine UFC with chairs and beer bottles.

Edited May 26 by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

Ive met people that's have done cage fighting. That is some brut sh1t

If someone with cauliflower ear, gets in your faces gtfo 

Edited May 25 by mmKay

[Davino]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I saw a serious fight break out in the casino lobby. One of the guys grabbed a chair and was swinging it to kill the other guy, and the friends of both sides were there both fighting and trying to stop the fight. It was total chaos. It took like 15 security guards to break it up.

Wow, that was a real fight indeed.

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In a real world fight you would never want to fight with bare fights, you would want to grab the nearest blunt object.

Hands are actually the worse part of the body to hit with, that's why gloves are worn in the first place. Kicks are better but you need flexibility and elbows are also good but you need to break the distance.

There are tones of martial arts that use objects, which end up being more useful for street fighting, the best in this area is Arnis. A more specific martial art is Kendo very brutal but just uses sticks. Although since guns exist, martial arts for self-defence have become pretty useless, a knive or a gun and you are done.

If you ever want to try a martial art I would recommend you BJJ, it's safe, useful, fun and a sport for intelligent people.

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A real world fight is very different from MMA.

It is. If you would like to check the most real fights, there is a company called King Of The Streets. Fights are bare knuckle, no rounds, no rest till one can't go anymore and no rules. It's not my cup of tea and I don't like the subculture, but it's good to see how humans actually fight 1vs1. I like this fight you will feel the spirit of such combats and how everything changes moment to moment; Warning it's graphic.

Edited May 26 by Davino

[LSD-Rumi]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A real world fight is very different from MMA. I saw a serious fight break out in the casino lobby. One of the guys grabbed a chair and was swinging it to kill the other guy, and the friends of both sides were there both fighting and trying to stop the fight. It was total chaos. It took like 15 security guards to break it up.

In a real world fight you would never want to fight with bare fights, you would want to grab the nearest blunt object.

Imagine UFC with chairs and beer bottles.

This sums it pretty good. Watch till the end, it gets so good.

Lesson: Use bottles, bite with teeth, aim for throat, break fingers.

Edited May 26 by LSD-Rumi

[Danioover9000]

   Again, he's right on the violence bit, not about Islam, but isn't aware of his own biases, plus how susceptible he is to trolling😂

 

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

5 hours ago, Davino said:

Wow, that was a real fight indeed.

Hands are actually the worse part of the body to hit with, that's why gloves are worn in the first place. Kicks are better but you need flexibility and elbows are also good but you need to break the distance.

There are tones of martial arts that use objects, which end up being more useful for street fighting, the best in this area is Arnis. A more specific martial art is Kendo very brutal but just uses sticks. Although since guns exist, martial arts for self-defence have become pretty useless, a knive or a gun and you are done.

If you ever want to try a martial art I would recommend you BJJ, it's safe, useful, fun and a sport for intelligent people.

It is. If you would like to check the most real fights, there is a company called King Of The Streets. Fights are bare knuckle, no rounds, no rest till one can't go anymore and no rules. It's not my cup of tea and I don't like the subculture, but it's good to see how humans actually fight 1vs1. I like this fight you will feel the spirit of such combats and how everything changes moment to moment; Warning it's graphic.

   True, but one's religion I don't think is a significant factor here.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A real world fight is very different from MMA. I saw a serious fight break out in the casino lobby. One of the guys grabbed a chair and was swinging it to kill the other guy, and the friends of both sides were there both fighting and trying to stop the fight. It was total chaos. It took like 15 security guards to break it up.

In a real world fight you would never want to fight with bare fists, you would want to grab the nearest blunt object.

Imagine UFC with chairs and beer bottles.

   Yes, in the real world there's no holds bars no rules fighting for SURVIVAL. Biggest trap though is discounting the spiritual aspects of martial arts.

 

[Butters]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A real world fight is very different from MMA. I saw a serious fight break out in the casino lobby. One of the guys grabbed a chair and was swinging it to kill the other guy, and the friends of both sides were there both fighting and trying to stop the fight. It was total chaos. It took like 15 security guards to break it up.

In a real world fight you would never want to fight with bare fists, you would want to grab the nearest blunt object.

Imagine UFC with chairs and beer bottles.

Also if you get stabbed it will happen so lighting fast you can't really do much. So don't get into fights. 

P.s. Leo were you putting all actualized donations on red? 😁

Edited May 26 by Butters

[Danioover9000]

@Butters

35 minutes ago, Butters said:

Also if you get stabbed it will happen so lighting fast you can't really do much. So don't get into fights. 

P.s. Leo were you putting all actualized donations on red? 😁

   This is why Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do and Russian Systema are superior and valuable than any one fighting or martial arts system.

[Leo Gura]

The most effective martial art is to kick a guy in the balls.

[Butters]

24 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Butters

   This is why Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do and Russian Systema are superior and valuable than any one fighting or martial arts system.

You can't really defend from a knife attack, it's not like someone will stab you overhand they'll be laser fast stabbing you multiple times within a second in the stomach / liver. You won't even see the knife, you'll think he stomped you in the stomach. 

@Leo Gura that's another trap lol. 

Edited May 26 by Butters

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Butters said:

 

@Leo Gura that's another trap lol. 

Stab him in the balls it is.

[Davino]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The most effective martial art is to kick a guy in the balls.

The less armed US civilian:

 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

Biggest trap though is discounting the spiritual aspects of martial arts.

There are different figther archetypes. It's true that there is a monk fighter archetype in martial arts, but don't overspiritualize everything

 

Edited May 26 by Davino

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The most effective martial art is to kick a guy in the balls.

   The main problem with that is on average in a street fight, you're likely assailant would be high on drugs or alcohol or too pent up on adrenaline, so nerve pains would not reach that quickly to the attacker's brain. High on drugs, alcohol, or even steriods they tend to not be as susceptible to nerve pains. Just look at the massive violence in Chicago or other black ghettos during the heroine and coke epidemic, they literally needed weapons far more, and even some evidence showing how resilient some people are in such states of being. while it depends on moment to moment, most universal way is shooting them in the legs, or actually destroying their limbs so they can't move them, or a straight up knock out strike.

[Danioover9000]

@Butters

39 minutes ago, Butters said:

You can't really defend from a knife attack, it's not like someone will stab you overhand they'll be laser fast stabbing you multiple times within a second in the stomach / liver. You won't even see the knife, you'll think he stomped you in the stomach. 

@Leo Gura that's another trap lol. 

   Have I ever stated or implied that JKD, Krav Maga or Russian Systema makes you highly resilient or immune to knife attacks? No I haven't, and even with Eskrima or Filipino martial arts with knives I don't suggest knife fighting. Even if you're really good there's little guarantee you'd not get sliced or maybe stabbed, so avoiding or running away if possible is best against knives, using a gun or nun chucks back then. 

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

18 minutes ago, Davino said:

There are different figther archetypes. It's true that there is a monk fighter archetype in martial arts, but don't overspiritualize everything

 

   When I stated that the biggest trap is discounting the spirituality aspect of fighting, the masculine love aspect of fighting and those moments of religious experience while fighting, I meant that the guy I quoted here is delusional in thinking to include Islam as a bigger factor in fighting when the environmental factors and cultural factors are greater than Islam. Also he keeps on saying how Islam is a peaceful religion...

[Leo Gura]

Frankly, the way all these fights break out is when two fat egos clash and neither one wants to step away.

The best way to win a fight is to just not bring your ego into a situation so no fight materializes.

When it comes to fighting, ego is the biggest trap.

Edited May 26 by Leo Gura