What would the opposite of the truth be experienced as?

[stephenkettley]

So, as we know, according to the teachings of enlightenment and no-self, the world we experience is not materialistic and is not a permanent world made of objects or matter, and further, we do not exist as an object in the room - we are not the mind or the body.

I have been contemplating the following question regarding the above: if all the illusions of materialism and being a mind/body in a world that is separate from us happened to be the truth (in an alternate reality), how would that change what we currently experience? Or would that feel exactly like what the pre-enlightenment state feels like?

Because, if when enlightenment occurs, none of the perceptions and feelings change, then I wonder what a material world would feel like and what difference there would be in experience if we were in fact a separate body and mind in this world?

 

Any thoughts? Hope this makes sense.

[James123]

5 minutes ago, stephenkettley said:

So, as we know, according to the teachings of enlightenment and no-self, the world we experience is not materialistic and is not a permanent world made of objects or matter, and further, we do not exist as an object in the room - we are not the mind or the body.

I have been contemplating the following question regarding the above: if all the illusions of materialism and being a mind/body in a world that is separate from us happened to be the truth (in an alternate reality), how would that change what we currently experience? Or would that feel exactly like what the pre-enlightenment state feels like?

Because, if when enlightenment occurs, none of the perceptions and feelings change, then I wonder what a material world would feel like and what difference there would be in experience if we were in fact a separate body and mind in this world?

 

Any thoughts? Hope this makes sense.

Love is the breaking point. After enlightenment If you are in love, that's permanent. If you are not, you are back in the egos control. 

[stephenkettley]

@James123 @James123 What I am asking is if what we currently experience is, according to teachings, a non-materialistic world where we are in fact a "no-self" that is not the body or mind that we previously believe whilst under illusion, then what would the experience of a material world feel like where we are the body and the mind? I am very curious.

Basically, if the world was in truth materialistic, how would we experience this differently to how it currently is?

[James123]

7 minutes ago, stephenkettley said:

What I am asking is if what we currently experience is, according to teachings, a non-materialistic world where we are in fact a "no-self" that is not the body or mind that we previously believe whilst under illusion, then what would the experience of a material world feel like where we are the body and the mind? I am very curious.

Perception never changes.

13 minutes ago, stephenkettley said:

Basically, if the world was in truth materialistic, how would we experience this differently to how it currently is?

İt is nonduality = love. There is no such thing as world. You are in heaven. 

[LastThursday]

@stephenkettley one thing that materialism has going for it is that if you drop a brick on your foot, it will hurt. In other words the brick and the pain are real. The brick is made of stuff and pain is transmitted by nerve impulses. You could then say the sensation of pain is not material even if it has a material cause, and argue that the sensation of pain is made of dream-stuff and then eventually conclude that everything is actually dream-stuff. But even subjective idealism isn't the whole story, because it doesn't explain why bricks exist and why they should hurt.

If mind and body were separate then one could be detached from the other and be free to go where it wants. Can your body go shopping whilst your mind stays at home? Maybe.

 

[gettoefl]

59 minutes ago, stephenkettley said:

@James123 @James123 What I am asking is if what we currently experience is, according to teachings, a non-materialistic world where we are in fact a "no-self" that is not the body or mind that we previously believe whilst under illusion, then what would the experience of a material world feel like where we are the body and the mind? I am very curious.

Basically, if the world was in truth materialistic, how would we experience this differently to how it currently is?

ego tells you this is all true, waking up is to know it is not

[stephenkettley]

@gettoefl So I understand that materialism isn't true but then what would materialism feel like is what I am curious about. I agree that no self is the truth of our nature (I haven't yet awakened to it yet, but putting in the work) but then what would being a mind and body feel like?

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, stephenkettley said:

@gettoefl So I understand that materialism isn't true but then what would materialism feel like is what I am curious about. I agree that no self is the truth of our nature (I haven't yet awakened to it yet, but putting in the work) but then what would being a mind and body feel like?

you may understand what you like, you live and believe in materialism else you would be walking through walls at will

[Princess Arabia]

This is what Spirituality does to the mind. Leaving it with more questions than answers. Life has no questions; it's only the mind that does, just to keep it's momentum going. Any answers will just be more thoughts that will require more thoughts that will require more thoughts that will require more thoughts. It never ends. This is how the world was created. Without thoughts there is no world. 

Enlightenment is just another thought. Noself is just another thought. Ideas in the mind. You'll be spinning your head for eternity trying to know more and more and more within an existence that is nothing more than appearances of which thought is just another. Trying to figure out what something would be like that doesn't exist is just the neurotic mind trying to find a home to reside and plant itself to find stability and ground itself in the groundless ground. It's an attempt to deconstruct it's existing line of thinking just to construct a new one because it doesn't recognize it's impermanence. It wants to know more and more just to stay alive and all it's doing is entrapping itself into it's own web until it gets confused and tries to get out using itself entrapping it even more and becomes more neurotic. 

All this enlightenment and no self talk was just the beginning and it will never stop until it realizes there's no end to the mystery. That's enlightenment if there's even such a thing. It's the end of seeking enlightenment.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, stephenkettley said:

So, as we know, according to the teachings of enlightenment and no-self, the world we experience is not materialistic and is not a permanent world made of objects or matter, and further, we do not exist as an object in the room - we are not the mind or the body.

I have been contemplating the following question regarding the above: if all the illusions of materialism and being a mind/body in a world that is separate from us happened to be the truth (in an alternate reality), how would that change what we currently experience? Or would that feel exactly like what the pre-enlightenment state feels like?

Because, if when enlightenment occurs, none of the perceptions and feelings change, then I wonder what a material world would feel like and what difference there would be in experience if we were in fact a separate body and mind in this world?

 

Any thoughts? Hope this makes sense.

The thing is impossible to understand. understanding is something that happens in this particular experience. Understanding is like seeing or walking, they are things that happen within the dream. If the dream disappears, understanding means nothing.

You cannot see the panorama from a point inside the illusion, you must leave it, and outside of it, nothing that is thought in a structured way makes sense, since it only makes sense within the structure. The structure is a creation, the creation cannot understand the creator, it can move and dissapear a while so that reality manifests, no more

Edited May 13 by Breakingthewall

[Oppositionless]

Ultimate truth is whatever is arising in the present 

that being said, there's a whole other aspect to truth which is discovering more of what is arising in the present

so untruth, which is actually still truth, is not understanding what is arising, and you already experience that (at the same time that you experience absolute truth of course)

Im pretty sure if materialism were true there would be no possibility of consciousness, so there would be no experience. Reality would be physical, not mental

Edited May 16 by Oppositionless

[tuku747]

Nah

Truth has no opposite

Stop this maddness

[Hojo]

Are you long windedly asking what enlightenment feels like?

You have an invisible perception that is around you but you dont know its there. The feeling is the feeling of you. When you change states this invisible perception changes and you notice it but cannot see it. Like an aura almost. Like taking a pair of sunglasses off you didnt know you had on the light dosent change but you see something move almost and you feel it.

You will feel yourself lose all the weight in your body and you feel like you are flying but you are in your body still.

You will physically feel like all the burdens of life are lifted from you and you become 'lightening' Your soul is always light now and never a burden on you cause you have seen yourself and you are always happy even when you are pretending to be sad.

After you get the cosmic joke the work is not over or hasn't even started. Your brain is still wired the same and you are still the same person. The burdens come back but they do not effect you anymore.

This should be the end of fear in your life and the ending of nervousness shyness and all other traits. Once you rewire yourself you become a God literally as you have manually changed reality without touching it. You are now Godlike. You can become anyone at anytime and you master human illusions as they are all create by the mind. You can respawn in anytimeline as a human and do well.

 

Edited May 16 by Hojo