UN admits civilian casualities in Gaza are close to HALF of what it thought

[Nivsch]

1. https://www.jns.org/un-blames-fog-of-war-for-major-overcounting-of-gazan-child-fatalities/

2. https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800772

3. https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/israel-zionism/2024/05/the-un-quietly-admits-it-exaggerated-civilian-casualties-in-gaza/

4. https://vinnews.com/2024/05/12/un-slashes-number-of-women-and-children-killed-in-gaza-by-50/

5. https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-revises-gaza-death-toll-50-less-women-children-killed-previously-reported.amp

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[Merkabah Star]

Has already been debunked. Stop pushing Israeli propaganda.

 

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[Nivsch]

@Merkabah Star Hasn't debunked at all.

Even in your video it shown clearly that the real number is 10,000 less because NOW we know those 10,000 are "missing" according to hamas's health ministry.

And since hamas people are 30%-40% of this number (according to the killed ratio of 1.5 to 1.7), then "10,000 missing" - say hamas reports are reliable at all at this point this is even more doubtful than before - is still very likely a slash of 50%.

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[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star @Nivsch  Here we go again, another Israel/Palestine thread saga.

[Nivsch]

This video worth 1000 words.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C66Vz5iNT6t/?igsh=YXlqNHc5bXc0Yno0

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[Merkabah Star]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

@Merkabah Star Hasn't debunked at all.

Even in your video it shown clearly that the real number is 10,000 less because NOW we know those 10,000 are "missing" according to hamas's health ministry.

And since hamas people are 30%-40% of this number (according to the killed ratio of 1.5 to 1.7), then "10,000 missing" - say hamas reports are reliable at all at this point this is even more doubtful than before - is still very likely a slash of 50%.

The numbers haven’t changed. There is also 10,000 people under the rubble, missing. 

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

The numbers haven’t changed. There is also 10,000 people under the rubble, missing. 

This isn't also but included in. That changes a lot if not all.

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[Merkabah Star]

Potentially 45,000 dead. 

[zazen]

The ministries figures have been found to be generally accurate as the UN has said in past counts. It seems their basically dancing between identified vs verified counts.

It's not like 8'000 kids dead (half the estimates) automatically makes them the most moral army but secondly even if true, the question of why aren't they able to identify the other casualties only indicates the horror of the situation even further. With such chaos there its a nightmare to go through the process.

Firstly who is going to identify them when entire families have been killed and extended family members if still alive displaced? Who's gonna count the dead when they are entombed in the wreckage and rubble. Maybe bodies have been so mangled that fatalities become un-identifiable.

Seems to me more like linguistic manipulation to have the world soften towards Israel rather than a attempt to be accurate.  

[Nivsch]

29 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

Potentially 45,000 dead. 

You just pull air to the balloon as you want.

The emerging evidences indicates something very different which is closer to 10-15K civilians and even this is right now, in front of 10-15K armed hamas people.

The updated killed ratio is now much closer to 1:1

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[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

You just pull air to the balloon as you want.

The emerging evidences indicates something very different which is closer to 10-15K civilians and even this is right now, in front of 10-15K armed hamas people.

The updated killed ratio is now much closer to 1:1

   Regardless of the exact ratio, 1:4, 1:3, 1:2, 1:1, does any of that maths justify the greatest issue of this Israel/Palestine conflict: The Likud party regime's apartheid ruling, segregating Muslims from other social fields within Israel? Somehow as an argument justifies the racism within right wing Zionists refusing to see Palestinians as their national identity but instead Arabs? Even Arab Jews and other left leaning Israelis are demonized within Likud party's rulership. How does any of that defend the genocidal rhetoric by Likud party?

[Danioover9000]

@zazen

13 minutes ago, zazen said:

The ministries figures have been found to be generally accurate as the UN has said in past counts. It seems their basically dancing between identified vs verified counts.

It's not like 8'000 kids dead (half the estimates) automatically makes them the most moral army but secondly even if true, the question of why aren't they able to identify the other casualties only indicates the horror of the situation even further. With such chaos there its a nightmare to go through the process.

Firstly who is going to identify them when entire families have been killed and extended family members if still alive displaced? Who's gonna count the dead when they are entombed in the wreckage and rubble. Maybe bodies have been so mangled that fatalities become un-identifiable.

Seems to me more like linguistic manipulation to have the world soften towards Israel rather than a attempt to be accurate.  

   Yes it seems it's going into that direction right now. Why they can't say it like it is is disappointing. USA can be so much better than this. Sad to see part of their tax pays going into this mess.

[Leo Gura]

@Nivsch Beware the trap of believing what you want to hear.

[Girzo]

You act like people are outraged Israel has killed too many children when in fact everyone is outraged they are killing children at all. Less genocide is still a freaking genocide, what the hell man. 

[Nivsch]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Nivsch Beware the trap of believing what you want to hear.

I will try to follow this issue as analytically and rationaly as I can. Thanks.

The problem is that Gaza (hamas) health ministry reports can't be just trusted as they are too.

If you or other guys here know any meta-analysis done by a serious more neutral organization (not hamas nor UN nor, for the fairness, IDF too) I will be happy to read it carefully.

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[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, Girzo said:

You act like people are outraged Israel has killed too many children when in fact everyone is outraged they are killing children at all. Less genocide is still a freaking genocide, what the hell man. 

A ratio of 1:1 or 1:1.5/1.7 and even an imaginary one happen in another war zone anywhere else as 1:4 are all still far light years away from genocide.

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[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The problem is that Gaza (hamas) health ministry reports can't be just trusted

Historically they have been accurate.

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

A ratio of 1:1 or 1:1.5/1.7 and even an imaginary one happen in another war zone anywhere else as 1:4 are all still far light years away from genocide.

   That's a ridiculous framing. That's like saying Israel isn't guilty mass murder because technically it killed just 2 people, or that Israel isn't guilty of murder because technically the assailant drove themselves into Likud party's blades and stepped into their firing lines. From guilty of manslaughter to guilty of mass shooting, categorically Israel and Likud party still bears some guilt and responsibility for this Gaza and Palestinian situation.

   Should I also remind everyone here about Al-Jazeera's documentary of the Al Nakba again, and the 80 plus years of oppression and apartheid against at that time the indigenous Palestinian population?

[Danioover9000]

   People be so in deep denial about this it's insane, you all Zionists like Bill Mahar here be like:

 

[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

categorically Israel and Likud party still bears some guilt and responsibility for this Gaza and Palestinian situation.

The responsibility and the occasionally foolish way our government deal with this sophisticated guerilla organization wasn't denied.

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