What if a trap is a future trajectory to (future) growth?

[Buck Edwards]

What if you fall in a trap and then growing through and outgrowing that trap, you begin to realize your true nature or you are directed greatly in a completely different direction that makes you work harder on your goals or a profound realization about relative reality that shakes you up and makes you do things you never imagined before and now there's a transformative quality to the trap, it's no longer something negative but an adventure in the long schema of things, a milestone to step on to a new plane? 

Curious to know what you think about this? I cannot come up with a discreet example yet I have had instances where I felt regret as well as blessed in the same situation that felt like a trap. Curious to know your take on such things. 

Edited May 13 by Buck Edwards

[Princess Arabia]

It's all a trap. There is nothing but traps in the individual human existence. The very notion of being a somebody is a trap. Having consciousness is a trap, being enlightened is a trap, thoughts are traps, the mind is a trap. There's no escaping traps. Realizing this is where the traps end and life flows; traps and all.

[Buck Edwards]

@Princess Arabia how is  being enlightened a trap? 

[Phil King]

45 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

What if you fall in a trap and then growing through and outgrowing that trap

Im pretty sure he mentioned that near the end of the video. You can see traps as a gift that allows you to grow in wisdom. Pain is the best teacher. 

 

46 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I cannot come up with a discreet example yet

He gave an exercise at the end of the video where you list out the top 10 traps youve fallen into and what you learned from them

Some of mine were 1. Drug addiction 2. Overusing psychedelics as a way to spiritually bypass 3. Engaging in get rich quick schemes and being very gullible to the point of falling for scams. 

All of these were bad in the moment but upon self reflection, helped me grow a lot

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

@Princess Arabia how is  being enlightened a trap? 

No such thing in the Absolute sense. It's a human invention. Thought created. It only exist in the relative domain which is illusory. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but only in the realm of separation which isn't real. Separation is an illusion.

[Buck Edwards]

5 minutes ago, Phil King said:

Im pretty sure he mentioned that near the end of the video. You can see traps as a gift that allows you to grow in wisdom. Pain is the best teacher. 

 

That's the confusion. Whether I should avoid traps or embrace them or should I willingly take on more risks in the future just for the sake of it? 

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

No such thing in the Absolute sense. It's a human invention. Thought created. It only exist in the relative domain which is illusory. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but only in the realm of separation which isn't real. Separation is an illusion.

I think enlightenment basically means no separation at all. So I still don't know how that could be a trap. 

[Buck Edwards]

I think what he means is that failures are a milestone in the direction of wisdom yet catastrophic failures can be darn crippling and completely foist your functional goals, something that you're never equipped or prepared for. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

That's the confusion. Whether I should avoid traps or embrace them or should I willingly take on more risks in the future just for the sake of it? 

See what I mean. You have fell into the trap of all traps; trying to avoid traps. Sure way to entrap yourself some more. Allow life to flow how it wants through you. When the time comes it will take care of itself. Leo putting out a video about traps is life taking care of itself. You asking what you're asking is life taking care of itself. The problem comes when you're expecting for an answer to satisfy the mind. It won't. That's what created the trap to begin with. Just allow for the answers to come without the questions. 

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I think enlightenment basically means no separation at all. So I still don't know how that could be a trap. 

What I mean is the idea of someone achieving enlightenment. It already is the case without anyone being enlightened. Either everyone is enlightened or no one is enlightened. Pick one or drop the notion entirely.

Edited May 13 by Princess Arabia

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

See what I mean. You have fell into the trap of all traps; trying to avoid traps. Sure way to entrap yourself some more. Allow life to flow how it wants through you. When the time comes it will take care of itself. Leo putting out a video about traps is life taking care of itself. You asking what you're asking is life taking care of itself. The problem comes when you're expecting for an answer to satisfy the mind. It won't. That's what created the trap to begin with. Just allow for the answers to come without the questions. 

I don't think that one should consciously go looking around for more traps to fall into because that might be stupid, although there's a theory called taking calculated risks in life, whether it's business or dating or career. It's best to consciously avoid traps once you learn of them beforehand, yet if you do fall into a trap by happenstance, it's best to cut losses, earn your wisdom, make good out of the bad experience yet never fall for similar traps in the future but be seasoned in your wisdom gradually. Sure traps can be transformative but they aren't a win win especially when the losses outweigh the gains by a huge margin, so it's a game of quality and quantity and not so much about really gaining something but how valuable this "something" really is in retrospect. 

[Buck Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What I mean is the idea of someone achieving enlightenment. It already is the case without anyone being enlightened. Either everyone is enlightened or no one is enlightened. Pick one or drop the notion entirely.

I'm not going to drop the notion of enlightenment. It's very important to me. Its my life literally. 

[Buck Edwards]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

See what I mean. You have fell into the trap of all traps; trying to avoid traps. Sure way to entrap yourself some more. Allow life to flow how it wants through you. When the time comes it will take care of itself. Leo putting out a video about traps is life taking care of itself. You asking what you're asking is life taking care of itself. The problem comes when you're expecting for an answer to satisfy the mind. It won't. That's what created the trap to begin with. Just allow for the answers to come without the questions. 

The trap of intuition I guess. 

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I'm not going to drop the notion of enlightenment. It's very important to me. Its my life literally. 

You don't have to drop anything. Either way it is what is the case. You don't control what happens; so it won't be your personal decision to or not to. It will just be whatever it is. Now that's enlightenment if there's such a thing, you don't have to go anywhere; it is already the case. Either way. 

Edited May 13 by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

Let say You have a baby, the baby knows nothing about anything, you let the baby be free all you do is feed it, see how long the baby survives, it picks up a knife, doesn't know what a knife is, cuts itself, dies by bleeding out (this is Top Down method Thinking and Approach, nothing has to be done, let everything be as it may and let the ball roll where it wants to go, you have no control over anything...)

This is what it basically means when You don't learn lessons and gain wisdom, now the example was on the Survival level of life, but this applies to everything, saying nothing has to be done, be the way you are, I'm already there and stuff like this doesn't work for most ppl, simply because they can't just do nothing, doing absolutely nothing means, no thinking, no ideology, no wanting/needing, no desire, no intention, no definitions of words, no discretion, no nothing, can you do this right now? If You can then Your there already, Enlightened as we say, but can that be done by You, if not you have to find another way...

Traps are there, many ppl fall into them everyday, it wastes allot of time, so gain some clarity, so life is lived with Ease, Ease means you are not touched by what is going on around you via Situations, life is not about Situations, its about what is going on within YOU...

Edited May 13 by Ishanga

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

no nothing, can you do this right now?

That's very difficult. In fact the most difficult thing to do. 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

That's very difficult. In fact the most difficult thing to do. 

Yes and No, lol, another paradox for sure, doing nothing should be easy compared to doing something right, but right now the way most of us are set up is the doing nothing is the hardest thing, So when ppl say just do nothing, its easier said than done, but for some rare few it works, they more than likely Fall into it naturally, it just comes upon them...Most of us need a method to get to that point!