Opinions on Judith Butler

[Alexop]

This is the leftist gender God, have your read her? What are your opinions on her?

 

[Danioover9000]

@Alexop

8 minutes ago, Alexop said:

This is the leftist gender God, have your read her? What are your opinions on her?

 

   I don't know enough of Judith Butler to have an opinion on her, but IMO Judith Polgar is a very impressive chess grandmaster.

[Alexop]

8 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Alexop

   I don't know enough of Judith Butler to have an opinion on her, but IMO Judith Polgar is a very impressive chess grandmaster.

I understand that you want to reach 12.000 posts this month.

[Raze]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-sex/201903/new-study-blows-old-ideas-about-girls-and-boys

[Alexop]

9 hours ago, Raze said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-sex/201903/new-study-blows-old-ideas-about-girls-and-boys

"The worldview promulgated by Butler, Fine, and their followers now constrains what neuroscientists are allowed to say in public. A professor of neurophysiology at Lund University in Sweden recently told undergraduates that the categories of female and male are, to some degree, biological realities rather than social constructs and that some differences in behavior between women and men might, therefore, have a biological basis. He was promptly denounced by students who claimed that his remarks were “anti-feminist.” The dean of the medical school duly launched an investigation."

 

Ok I get it now. You could summarize her work in one page. Gender is fluid, you can change your gender, you perform the gender, there are biological differences but "hard" to pin them down so who knows man find who you are and let go of your logic. Don't agree with us -> member of the "patriarchy". 

Appalled how such people can receive awards of millions of dollars.

Great article, thank you! I have to check all the possible perspective because I am writing an article about masculinity vs. femininity. I will be glad if you guys want to read my sketch and give feedback: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10rwYMwxvxcRDfrcbtYwUZ32nPHF8hJj21hOetImwok4/edit?usp=sharing

Edited April 26 by Alexop

[nerdspeak]

I studied with several of her former PhD students and drank the kool-aid hard for a while. But, it’s mostly junk. 

Her book on Hegel isn’t bad. 

[Alexop]

13 hours ago, nerdspeak said:

I studied with several of her former PhD students and drank the kool-aid hard for a while. But, it’s mostly junk. 

Her book on Hegel isn’t bad. 

Thanks for that!

[BluntIbex]

@Alexop Thank you for your comprehensive article. Having a hard time in a gay relationship figuring out each others' masculine and feminine energies, and whether they are in balance to make this work.

[Alexop]

21 hours ago, BluntIbex said:

@Alexop Thank you for your comprehensive article. Having a hard time in a gay relationship figuring out each others' masculine and feminine energies, and whether they are in balance to make this work.

You're welcome 😁 

[Adrian colby]

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/02/men-women-brain-organization-patterns.html#:~:text=A new study by Stanford,a woman or a man.
 

There has been an argument about standard deviation and overlap with error bars so a few studies have used AI and trained it to identify distinct patterns with high accuracy. First study above was specifically being developed for identifying sex specific neurological disease and the one below ventured into the trans differentiation.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3?

I understand the sex /gender argument as it’s clear a gender role can be played by anyone but it still seems the way a person expresses themselves or the feeling from which it derives has a biological basis even if it is minute. The sample size in the trans study is too small and needs to be expanded but it suggests a dimensionality or spectral nature to sex specific neurology.

humans are inherently diverse because of their higher cognitive function and I certainly think as they continue to evolve, they’ll appear in more complex configurations driven by the mind. 

looking at a body that contains multiple dimorphic structures ( male/female development potential) including to what degree the neurology can fall into, I’m not surprised at seeing spectral complexity emerging from it. 

[nerdspeak]

Her gender argument is not about denying any biological basis to gender, that is the straw man version. 

The argument is that its expression is performative, as in, you learn to perform your gender role in a given cultural context by imitating others and through positive/negative reinforcement. 

So, male gender expression in 14th century Mongolia is obviously going to be pretty different from in Manhattan or Hollywood in 2024. 

And, as people see other gender performances over time, roles will evolve. So, a straight-laced guy with a crew-cut in the 1960s starts to see hippies with long hair getting more attention and sex, so he starts to grow out his hair etc. 

It's not really that controversial an argument, in fact it's pretty obvious. 

 

[Nilsi]

On 26.4.2024 at 9:07 AM, Alexop said:

Ok I get it now. You could summarize her work in one page. Gender is fluid, you can change your gender, you perform the gender, there are biological differences but "hard" to pin them down so who knows man find who you are and let go of your logic. Don't agree with us -> member of the "patriarchy". 

I don't believe she is naive enough to suggest that one can simply change their gender in any way they desire.

Her argument owes a lot to Deleuzian metaphysics, in that for her, the concept of gender is deeply entangled in language, its cultural context, power dynamics, and so on.

While there is some degree of individual agency within this complex interrelationship, it isn't merely a matter of individual choice. Rather, any notion of individuation and self-actualization is only possible by recognizing the limitations and affordances of this cultural matrix and consciously navigating it.

[Danioover9000]

@Alexop

On 25/04/2024 at 10:16 PM, Alexop said:

I understand that you want to reach 12.000 posts this month.

I understand you have no sense of humour and special to not realize I have given my opinion, on a Judith, but not the one you wanted in your head. No worries, remember every person's opinion will differ because opinions=figments of imagination, and each person has their degrees of schizophrenia and imagination. You like an older Judith, I like a younger chess smart Judith. To each their own bud.

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

On 11/05/2024 at 10:39 AM, Nilsi said:

I don't believe she is naive enough to suggest that one can simply change their gender in any way they desire.

Her argument owes a lot to Deleuzian metaphysics, in that for her, the concept of gender is deeply entangled in language, its cultural context, power dynamics, and so on.

While there is some degree of individual agency within this complex interrelationship, it isn't merely a matter of individual choice. Rather, any notion of individuation and self-actualization is only possible by recognizing the limitations and affordances of this cultural matrix and consciously navigating it.

   Deleuzian metaphysics? Delusion meta physics?

[Alexop]

@Danioover9000 Got you now! thx