What are your thoughts regarding spa massage?

[fopylo]

I've just went today to a Japanese style massage spa and got the regular oil massage. She was really not the best and not worth the money, but I noticed something interesting: She could very quickly and easily recognize when I'm tensed/relaxed, which made me realize that my emotions can for real be mapped on my body.

Ok, so I knew this already in my mind that emotions are actually physical and are running through the body, but when she quickly noted it to me to relax it was as though I was easily read, and more than that - many times my body just automatically got tense and a little shaky without even meaning to, and I believe it to be tensions that were stored there unresolved.

What do you guys think?

[Princess Arabia]

Energy responding to energy. Emotions aren't physical. It's an energetic response, responding to what's appearing; and because the energy within the body is contracted, the energy's response is claimed to be yours. There's no you to be meaning to do anything because it's the energy at play, not you. There's no you, but we won't go there.

Edited April 24 by Princess Arabia

[fopylo]

@Princess Arabia

Emotion is physical, or else it's just your imagination. The energy isn't contracted, the muscles are. There's no me to be meaning to do anything because I'm a sophisticated biological machine that responds to stimuli and my inner biology.

Have you had experience with spa massage? If so, what do you think about it?

Edited April 25 by fopylo

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, fopylo said:

Emotion is physical

I can touch a pencil, can you touch an emotion. That's what I mean when I say physical. 

 

2 hours ago, fopylo said:

or else it's just your imagination.

Everything is imagination. But this is not about that, and I don't want to turn this into some existential Spiritual convo. So I'm trying to stay as practical as I can.

 

2 hours ago, fopylo said:

The energy isn't contracted, the muscles are.

Muscles is energy. It's all energy.

 

2 hours ago, fopylo said:

There's no me to be meaning to do anything because I'm a sophisticated biological machine that responds to stimuli and my inner biology

I won't even begin to dissect this one and leave it at that. The only thing I'll say, though, is that it is still energy responding to energy.

 

3 hours ago, fopylo said:

Have you had experience with spa massage? If so, what do you think about it?

I don't go to the spa, but I've had personal massages and I love them. The person doing the massage can feel the tension and also the person receiving them. Emotions can appear to be stored in the body and can appear to be released through massages. It's energy flowing through the body. 

[fopylo]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I can touch a pencil, can you touch an emotion. That's what I mean when I say physical. 

This already isn't the right question, because then I can tell you likewise "I can touch a pencil, can you touch the sensation in your own finger?"

 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Everything is imagination. But this is not about that, and I don't want to turn this into some existential Spiritual convo. So I'm trying to stay as practical as I can.

Look, I really don't care about all the spiritual wisdom that resides in your head. I'm trying to be practical here so let's keep it at that.

 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Muscles is energy. It's all energy.

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

4 hours ago, fopylo said:

There's no me to be meaning to do anything because I'm a sophisticated biological machine that responds to stimuli and my inner biology

I won't even begin to dissect this one and leave it at that. The only thing I'll say, though, is that it is still energy responding to energy.

Again, I'm trying to be scientific about this issue. You can have all your esoteric understandings of life as you want. But I rather not hear something like "all is energy", "all is imagination" and take it for granted. The best understanding will be from a place of genuine self observation and inquiry with no arrogance at all (why should there be?).

 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't go to the spa, but I've had personal massages and I love them. The person doing the massage can feel the tension and also the person receiving them. Emotions can appear to be stored in the body and can appear to be released through massages. It's energy flowing through the body. 

Thanks for answering though

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, fopylo said:

Look, I really don't care about all the spiritual wisdom that resides in your head. I'm trying to be practical here so let's keep it at that.

You didn't have to repeat what I said I was trying to do. I already said I was going to try to keep it as practical as I can. I have nothing more to say to you. As soon as I detect some form of animosity by anyone, I will stop conversing, simple as that. You're asking for advice or whatever you're asking for but telling the person how to give it and what you're not interested in when the person already told you.

The issue with me is not even that, but the way in which you said it, after I was courteous enough with you in how I related what i had to say. Enough said.

Edited April 25 by Princess Arabia

[fopylo]

@Princess Arabia

Apologies for the attitude. I just felt also somewhat like you're trying to speak from a higher place and trying not to get into deep shit

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, fopylo said:

@Princess Arabia

Apologies for the attitude. I just felt also somewhat like you're trying to speak from a higher place and trying not to get into deep shit

It's OK, it's kind of hard to unsee the seen, and verbally communicating gets a bit challenging when trying to keep it on a relative/practical level with certain points I'm trying to get across. I see things differently than how I saw them years ago as I view them as energetic instead of seeing it materialistically. Not every time and not with everything. It's not something forced or fake or coming from a place of thinking I'm deeper than you or more Spiritual or anything like that. 

This is why I'm even here responding back to you because I'm aware it's not personal and I didn't take it to heart; but at the same time, there was a response that felt like not communicating anymore because of whatever reason I stated especially when I wasn't rude to you first and should expect another rude response back.

Edited April 25 by Princess Arabia

[fopylo]

@Princess Arabia

What self-actualization/consciousness work are you doing?

Currently I'm doing 15 minutes meditation every day but it doesn't really feel like I'm getting anywhere, and my social media addiction is very great so this basically is an obstacle. But I'm still not getting into life purpose and business and all that stuff. Currently I want to get those addictions handled, build momentum with a vision... It's funny how right now this is all happening - the momentum - as though speaking and being aware of it brings you to a higher place. This is cool and why journaling is cool. I just don't always self reflect (journal). So yeah... Awareness might be key for real. As I see it, we are a biological machine, just like any other thing here on earth, and sometimes I'll need an external knock on the head for looking inwards and building momentum.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, fopylo said:

What self-actualization/consciousness work are you doing?

 

1 hour ago, fopylo said:

Currently I'm doing 15 minutes meditation every day but it doesn't really feel like I'm getting anywhere

This is the thing with trying to get somewhere. There's no where to get to. It is already done. This is home. This is it. That said. Meditation can be great, it feels relaxing and, for me is a spontaneous thing. Not for trying to get somewhere, but because it feels good in the moment when it hits me. Meditation means to become familiar with so it's just for feeling the aliveness that's already present, for me anyway. Once it becomes a chore or a duty, it takes away from the spontaneity of it all. Just like I might feel for something to eat, I might feel like just sitting and taking in the scenery, watching the birds, feeling my breath or something of the sort. 

Nothing wrong or right with doing any Spiritual practices, imo, if done without trying to reach somewhere. It may appear that you have gotten somewhere, but that's only an appearance. One never really gains anything because there's nothing lost. Everyone is different, and I'm not knocking anything because it doesn't matter either way, as anything can appear; and I'm not really making a choice to do or not do anything because there's no person making any choices; it's all just happening.

I love to watch Spiritual videos, read Spiritual catalogues and watch podcasts about anything related to psychology, the Universe, the mind, quantum physics and stuff like that for the enjoyment of it, now not to get all carried away with trying to improve myself or get somewhere, even though I love self-improvement stuff because it's a way of gaining knowledge and applications may appear to happen. I'm not a freak about anything and I try to limit watching a lot of junk and stuff that seems to try and get you to try to do anything for any Spiritual purposes to become enlightened since there's no such thing. Nothing wrong or right about it, but it can appear to make one a bit delusional and get stuck in the apparent illusion of the self.

 

Edited April 25 by Princess Arabia