Human cases from Bird Flu is of extreme concern

[hyruga]

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/human-cases-bird-flu-enormous-concern-says-who

[Danioover9000]

@hyruga

On 2024-04-18 at 11:55 AM, hyruga said:

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/human-cases-bird-flu-enormous-concern-says-who

   Why is the WHO saying human cases of bird flu extremely concerning? This is another opportunity for a vaccine testing right?

[hyruga]

The fatality rate of 52% is extremely high. This also does not mean that the remaining people who survived may be doing well. Most of them may still have other nagging injuries like headache, extreme pain, being bedridden or they may die from other illness like heart attack but it's not recorded.

I have an ex colleague who got covid, seemingly recovered but was in extreme pain that he went to commit suicide few months later by jumping off a building.

And given that bird flu has spread widely before, the potential of spreading is still pretty damn high. I would stock up on masks at the very least.

[Scholar]

Primarily due to animal agriculture, a super-virus is simply a matter of time. The conditions within factory farms are optimal for the evolution of zoonotic diseases that can cross the species barrier. This has been known for decades, yet consumptive habits nor regulations do anything to curb this issue in a significant way.

Factory farms basically are incubators for the most nasty bacteria and viruses possible. If you wanted to create a virus that wiped out half of mankind, you would do so by building factory farms. If you wanted to create antibiotic resistant bacteria that could kill hundreds of millions of people, you would also just build factory farms. All you really need to create the most potent biological weapon possible is factory farms and time.

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

2 hours ago, Scholar said:

Primarily due to animal agriculture, a super-virus is simply a matter of time. The conditions within factory farms are optimal for the evolution of zoonotic diseases that can cross the species barrier. This has been known for decades, yet consumptive habits nor regulations do anything to curb this issue in a significant way.

Factory farms basically are incubators for the most nasty bacteria and viruses possible. If you wanted to create a virus that wiped out half of mankind, you would do so by building factory farms. If you wanted to create antibiotic resistant bacteria that could kill hundreds of millions of people, you would also just build factory farms. All you really need to create the most potent biological weapon possible is factory farms and time.

   Firstly, the fallacy you are making is a straw man against those who own, and are employers/employees of factory farms and food industry. Not every CEO down to the workers in factory farms are conspiring to create super viruses to wipe out humanity, they are working because some can only work in labor jobs, including factory farming. It's a fallacy because if you find out there are other motivated reasonings besides destroying humanity via super viruses in factory farms your argument has to change or you have to concede your argument's premises are flawed in assuming they had malicious intent to creating super viruses, anti biotic resistant bacteria, et cetera.

   Secondly, I partly agree this may have been known for decades, but decades here implies a time range between 10 to 99 years, so from at most either 2024 to 1925 or from 2014 to 1915, yet even around and between 1925 to 1915 and hundreds of years before that range they did not have a proper understanding of factory farms correlating to rapid evolution of diseases as it was a revolutionary time for capitalism employing technological advances that increased production, consumption and agriculture then was more resilient to famine and pests versus the more organic agriculture methods before the 19th century.

[Danioover9000]

@hyruga

12 hours ago, hyruga said:

The fatality rate of 52% is extremely high. This also does not mean that the remaining people who survived may be doing well. Most of them may still have other nagging injuries like headache, extreme pain, being bedridden or they may die from other illness like heart attack but it's not recorded.

I have an ex colleague who got covid, seemingly recovered but was in extreme pain that he went to commit suicide few months later by jumping off a building.

And given that bird flu has spread widely before, the potential of spreading is still pretty damn high. I would stock up on masks at the very least.

   And this is another argument point for vaccines, they at least ease the burden on the body's immune system and prepares it against the virus strain exposed to it so that any lingering side effects and stress form the real virus is reduced at least.

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, Scholar said:

Primarily due to animal agriculture, a super-virus is simply a matter of time. The conditions within factory farms are optimal for the evolution of zoonotic diseases that can cross the species barrier. This has been known for decades, yet consumptive habits nor regulations do anything to curb this issue in a significant way.

Factory farms basically are incubators for the most nasty bacteria and viruses possible. If you wanted to create a virus that wiped out half of mankind, you would do so by building factory farms. If you wanted to create antibiotic resistant bacteria that could kill hundreds of millions of people, you would also just build factory farms. All you really need to create the most potent biological weapon possible is factory farms and time.

Scary fr.

[Scholar]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Scholar

   Firstly, the fallacy you are making is a straw man against those who own, and are employers/employees of factory farms and food industry. Not every CEO down to the workers in factory farms are conspiring to create super viruses to wipe out humanity, they are working because some can only work in labor jobs, including factory farming. It's a fallacy because if you find out there are other motivated reasonings besides destroying humanity via super viruses in factory farms your argument has to change or you have to concede your argument's premises are flawed in assuming they had malicious intent to creating super viruses, anti biotic resistant bacteria, et cetera.

   Secondly, I partly agree this may have been known for decades, but decades here implies a time range between 10 to 99 years, so from at most either 2024 to 1925 or from 2014 to 1915, yet even around and between 1925 to 1915 and hundreds of years before that range they did not have a proper understanding of factory farms correlating to rapid evolution of diseases as it was a revolutionary time for capitalism employing technological advances that increased production, consumption and agriculture then was more resilient to famine and pests versus the more organic agriculture methods before the 19th century.

That's not what a strawman is, and I never said anyone is conspiring to create super viruses. I am saying these are the consequences of the system in place.

 

[Bobby_2021]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

That's not what a strawman is, and I never said anyone is conspiring to create super viruses. I am saying these are the consequences of the system in place.

 

Do we have any preventive solutions to this, or any solution at all.

Superbugs and super viruses that have evolved to be immune to everything we have developed with high fatality rates are a huge threat.

What a dystopian future we are headed to.

[Scholar]

9 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Do we have any preventive solutions to this, or any solution at all.

Superbugs and super viruses that have evolved to be immune to everything we have developed with high fatality rates are a huge threat.

What a dystopian future we are headed to.

We have to abolish factory farming, it's feasible given that we don't need to consume animal products, and especially not on that scale.

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

5 hours ago, Scholar said:

We have to abolish factory farming, it's feasible given that we don't need to consume animal products, and especially not on that scale.

   And the way to abolish factory farming is to accuse the employers/employees of wanting this to happen, implying intent that's malicious, and put moral blame on the owners, the CEOs, all the way down to the laborers working?

10 hours ago, Scholar said:

Primarily due to animal agriculture, a super-virus is simply a matter of time. The conditions within factory farms are optimal for the evolution of zoonotic diseases that can cross the species barrier. This has been known for decades, yet consumptive habits nor regulations do anything to curb this issue in a significant way.

Factory farms basically are incubators for the most nasty bacteria and viruses possible. If you wanted to create a virus that wiped out half of mankind, you would do so by building factory farms. If you wanted to create antibiotic resistant bacteria that could kill hundreds of millions of people, you would also just build factory farms. All you really need to create the most potent biological weapon possible is factory farms and time.

 

@Scholar

5 hours ago, Scholar said:

That's not what a strawman is, and I never said anyone is conspiring to create super viruses. I am saying these are the consequences of the system in place.

 

   It's a straw man because you assume they are intentional in them creating a super virus and anti drug resistant bacteria, when in reality it's not that they are intentionally creating this situation when some need to live paycheck to paycheck up to the CEO types in denial of this. Most sides in this issue are deep in sunk cost fallacy and need to live.