About Truth and UnTruth!

[Ishanga]

This is not about Obsession with anyone, particularly Sadhguru, its about making Sense! He says it in the simplest of Terms, a child that knows basic language can understand it, that is all, I haven't seen anyone explain it simpler or with as much Clarity, that doesn't take away the need for others to share either, but somethings are as they are...

What is Truth, what is Untruth, its the same with what is Reality and what is not Reality, both mean the same things... You can explain it forever and still not Understand it, so Explanations only go so far, but what is Your Experience of it? If Your intruth, as he says, You will be Joyful of Your own nature, that is Truth, because it makes so much sense, everything about You works better when in Joy, compared to being in Stress and Suffering, does anything work well when in Stress and Suffering, the proof in your own body and mind and experiences! Just Realization is all that is Needed!

 

[Ishanga]

Is mind untruth, or truth?

Is Body Untruth or Truth?

Is Psychedelic Experience Truth or Untruth?

How to Know Truth? 

[Razard86]

You are a devotee of Sadhguru so at the moment you are obsessed that is what a devotee is. 

Everything you express on the forums is borne of the influence of Sadhguru. You just do not want to admit it. 

You have yet to graduate to your own interpretation. You have yet to find your own truth. So for now you are just imitating an original.

[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You are a devotee of Sadhguru so at the moment you are obsessed that is what a devotee is. 

Everything you express on the forums is borne of the influence of Sadhguru. You just do not want to admit it. 

You have yet to graduate to your own interpretation. You have yet to find your own truth. So for now you are just imitating an original.

Oh I don't deny that lol, and its good, because since we are only talking "Around" Spirituality, might as well talk with the most sense right? 

One can talk about everything being imaginary or that everything is real but You have choice, what is the better way to talk, about what is Real or Imaginary, what is Truth or Untruth?

He says it the best so I borrow heavily, no problem with that, there is no originality to it, if you think I should invent another path then that for me is a waste of time, why reinvent when proven methods exist... "Now I need to invent a way to carry heavy things around but not have to drop it every 5' because I cannot lift it anymore and have to rest..." Oh the wheel was already invented and a way to put things on a crate for it to be easier to carry things lol, so stupid to have to be original and such things, we just have to use the proven methods and apply them!!

I'm here to mostly test  my ego, bring it more forward in my awareness and entertainment...

[Razard86]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Oh I don't deny that lol, and its good, because since we are only talking "Around" Spirituality, might as well talk with the most sense right? 

One can talk about everything being imaginary or that everything is real but You have choice, what is the better way to talk, about what is Real or Imaginary, what is Truth or Untruth?

He says it the best so I borrow heavily, no problem with that, there is no originality to it, if you think I should invent another path then that for me is a waste of time, why reinvent when proven methods exist... "Now I need to invent a way to carry heavy things around but not have to drop it every 5' because I cannot lift it anymore and have to rest..." Oh the wheel was already invented and a way to put things on a crate for it to be easier to carry things lol, so stupid to have to be original and such things, we just have to use the proven methods and apply them!!

I'm here to mostly test  my ego, bring it more forward in my awareness and entertainment...

What you fail to realize is God created every perspective with a blindspot. Each blindspot makes us all unique.

As a result everyone is borne a genius if they can realize it. If you want to become a master you need to learn the master's vision in your own words.

Once you can put your own spin on it you have become the master. Sadhguru's teachings are not perfect, no teaching is. Each teaching is housed within its own style.

In short there are people you could reach that Sadhguru could never reach and there are people who will find him inauthentic but could find you authentic and vice versa.

The gift of the discriminatory mind is its ability to improve/renovate/remix/improvise/recontextualize things. Your way of doing it is unique to you. 

You have no idea how important your perspective is but I'll tell you. There will never ever be a perspective like yours ever. So don't dissolve your perspective into Sadhguru, let him be a springboard into an evolution of your true perspective.

[Hojo]

It is wrong to be devotees of any human. Specifically these people who tell you not to be devotees to them but devotees to God. Sadhguru himself says dont put people above you, Jesus say the same thing dont put anyone else above you but God but people will then start to do it. Its not about them its about You and God. I've seen most of Sadhguru videos and he says when he dies he said ideally he wants everyone to forget he existed immediately.

God make you and God make Sadhguru to help you but. The truth is Sadhguru cannot help you see or understand truth and becoming a devotee would not help. The reason Sadhguru hasnt straight up said what truth is to help is because its impossible to do. Sadhguru and truth do not correlate except through the same way you and truth correlate.

If you were to see truth through Sadguru you would see its not him but truth telling you that its not Sadhguru by using Sadhguru to point to itself. Its like God is in a room waiting for you to have sex with it and then you invite Sadhguru in to cuck you into missing out on infinite bliss with God. Sadhguru is saying dont let me in I dont want to cuck you but you are like come in and do it because I want you to show me.

Edited April 14 by Hojo

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

What you fail to realize is God created every perspective with a blindspot. Each blindspot makes us all unique.

As a result everyone is borne a genius if they can realize it. If you want to become a master you need to learn the master's vision in your own words.

Once you can put your own spin on it you have become the master. Sadhguru's teachings are not perfect, no teaching is. Each teaching is housed within its own style.

In short there are people you could reach that Sadhguru could never reach and there are people who will find him inauthentic but could find you authentic and vice versa.

The gift of the discriminatory mind is its ability to improve/renovate/remix/improvise/recontextualize things. Your way of doing it is unique to you. 

You have no idea how important your perspective is but I'll tell you. There will never ever be a perspective like yours ever. So don't dissolve your perspective into Sadhguru, let him be a springboard into an evolution of your true perspective.

First he has said many many times that he does not offer a teaching, its just a method...What You see on Youtube is not what he is doing, it just marketing, he says this many many times as well, its all "Circus" in his words to get ppl at the least interested in Transforming, otherwise what to do in today's world? He peaks ppl's intellects, their general intelligence, makes them say "Oh maybe I need to take another look at this, at life", that is the spark, then the methods are shared and they work very well for most...

Your missing the whole point really, its the same with any skill set, I trained and taught Martial Arts for 30yrs, I went thru all the phases, the brainwashing phase, the "My Sifu is the best phase" and all of that, then I switched systems (I learned Wing Chun), and it blew me away, it was completely different method and skill set, so since then I'm into skill sets, methods, Sadhguru's method works very well, and he speaks very clearly, that is all I am into...

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

It is wrong to be devotees of any human. Specifically these people who tell you not to be devotees to them but devotees to God. Sadhguru himself says dont put people above you, Jesus say the same thing dont put anyone else above you but God but people will then start to do it. Its not about them its about You and God. I've seen most of Sadhguru videos and he says when he dies he said ideally he wants everyone to forget he existed immediately.

God make you and God make Sadhguru to help you but. The truth is Sadhguru cannot help you see or understand truth and becoming a devotee would not help. The reason Sadhguru hasnt straight up said what truth is to help is because its impossible to do. Sadhguru and truth do not correlate except through the same way you and truth correlate.

If you were to see truth through Sadguru you would see its not him but truth telling you that its not Sadhguru by using Sadhguru to point to itself. Its like God is in a room waiting for you to have sex with it and then you invite Sadhguru in to cuck you into missing out on infinite bliss with God. Sadhguru is saying dont let me in I dont want to cuck you but you are like come in and do it because I want you to show me.

What most ppl think of a Devotee is one that see's other above themselves, better than and such, Sadhguru has said many times not to do this, don't look at him as above, or below, just see him as a tool to use for your own growth.

The path of Devotion, which it seem you know little about, is about being Devoid of Self, Selflessness, and it is the fastest way to Realization, but most today cannot do it, they ask too many questions, and are addicited/Identified too strongly with Mind and Intellect...so other methods are needed..

Do some research!! P.S. if what You are saying is true then no need to read or listen to what You are saying as well, why would we, Sadhguru has much more credibility than You and your telling us not too listen to him, lol why listen to You then, what/where is your credibility??

Edited April 14 by Ishanga

[Hojo]

@Ishanga I cant be right. I or anything  cant be right about anything. Im just pointing towards something.

Edited April 14 by Hojo