Suffering or pain ultimately does not matter

[Javfly33]

No matter how the ego tries to corrupt and make of the Infinite Experience an incredible compressed and fearful experience, his days are COUNTED. 

'God' does not actually give a shit about how much ego can corrupt the experience. God actually is untouched always.

There seems to be an apparent feeling of suffering but that is an internal hallucination within Infinite Love. Real You is always invincible and untouched of any of the ego´s bullshit. 

The key is to remind yourself the days are counted. 

Tic Tac. Ego will fall. And in the Infinite Reality 20-30-40-50-60 years of suffering means nothing.

God LAUGHS about the useless and constant attempts of the ego to leave a 'trace' on Infinity. 

This obsession of leaving a 'trace' or being 'you' even though it makes existence miserable is also useless because the days are counted for the ego. 

Just remind yourself this body has limited amount of breaths.

Each second, each day, each week, a lot less breaths to go . During How much breaths more will you corrupt God´s Infinite Love?  

Doesn´t matter if you do it until the end all ATTEMPS will be useless.

God will be and is untouched already. It doesn´t care.

So what is going to be? Will you surrender the fantasy of 'you' soon to enjoy what is left or you'll have to be "hammered down" at the 'end'? 

[strangelooper]

The joke is on god, not the ego. Who's the one who keeps corrupting itself for eternity over and over again? 

The "chad" ego wishes it had never come into being in the first place, that nothing but perfect peace and love existed forever without interruption while the "virgin" god keeps deliberately choosing to simulate/manifest retardation, corruption and abominations

That's the cosmic joke

Edited April 7 by strangelooper

[Ishanga]

Illusion or  Suffering is what many many ppl feel, you can tell someone in deep Depression all You want that what they are feeling is Illusion, a product of Your Mind and Misunderstanding Reality, but they will still feel Depression, been there and done that!

So all this talk around here about Illusion, nothing exists, imagination and such things, its meaningless talk, it doesn't change anything for someone reading and trying to find out any real Answers!  They don't want to know why they want to know HOW!

How do I change my Life, how do I tranform my Life, because the majority of ppl, including the ones that post here the most, want to be more than what they are right now every moment of their lives! How do we accomplish that, to be more than what we are right now!

Theorizing about reality and thinking everything is imaginary doesn't even come close to answering that question, it makes one further away!

Edited April 7 by Ishanga

[theleelajoker]

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So all this talk around here about Illusion, nothing exists, imagination and such things, its meaningless talk, it doesn't change anything for someone reading and trying to find out any real Answers!  They don't want to know why they want to know HOW!

Fully agree.

I understand that the idea of "don't treat things that ultimately (may) not be real as real" can help. Meta perspective, zooming out, not identifying etc.

But when I feel shitty it does not help me. It feels real and it sucks. What helps is connecting with someone, a hug, some words of encouragement, a story to relate, a practical advise, just silently being with someone I resonate with,  etc.  Mental acrobatics about god don't help.

I'm rather new to this forum but I have the (subjective) feeling that especially in the last weeks there is a lot abstract stuff form several users where I personally don't see much value. (u may say I don't get the value - fair enough).

@javfly33: No personal dig, I like a lot of your posts and do see value in them. Just not so much is this one

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Fully agree.

I understand that the idea of "don't treat things that ultimately (may) not be real as real" can help. Meta perspective, zooming out, not identifying etc.

But when I feel shitty it does not help me. It feels real and it sucks. What helps is connecting with someone, a hug, some words of encouragement, a story to relate, a practical advise, just silently being with someone I resonate with,  etc.  Mental acrobatics about god don't help.

I'm rather new to this forum but I have the (subjective) feeling that especially in the last weeks there is a lot abstract stuff form several users where I personally don't see much value. (u may say I don't get the value - fair enough).

@javfly33: No personal dig, I like a lot of your posts and do see value in them. Just not so much is this one

I think what happens is ppl lose touch with Reality, by Reality I mean all things, all aspects, all dimensions of Reality, not just top level, Absolute level of Reality which is Oneness, Completeness, Wholeness, and where all Possibility and Potential resides, on this Earth, this planet, the reality of duality and materialism in which we function on a day to day basis, we can be intouch with the Absolute, while living here in our Body/Mind complex and still be One in our experience, those that have felt this via natural occurring, yogic methods, psychedelics sometimes so identify with it that it becomes everything, but this is a part of the "Illusion" or Maya as they say in the East, Maya does not mean something does not exist, it just means it exists but  not as You are Experiencing it right now... First and foremost on the Spiritual path is to establish your Beingness, and bring Clarity to Your ability to perceive Reality as it is, not via grand experiences or belief systems...

 

[Breakingthewall]

Suffering is the tool of evolution, it shows you the narrow path, outside of it there is suffering. If you were an animal, your suffering would be pain, hunger, the need to mate. but you are also mind, and suffering expands, since the mind is expanded life, free of matter. a fascinating game of evolution, which does not spare in suffering

[Breakingthewall]

46 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

all this talk around here about Illusion, nothing exists, imagination and such things, its meaningless talk, it doesn't change anything for someone reading and trying to find out any real Answers!  They don't want to know why they want to know HOW!

How do I change my Life, how do I tranform my Life,

The line of thought that tends to total detachment is useful for the complete rupture of old mental patterns, to then be able to dive into the depth of what it means to be human being free of mental chains inherited from thousands of generations. It's a necessary work imo

[Ishanga]

You can always tell when someone is Identified and Functioning from the Absolute level when they use these words allot in their posts!
God

Infinity or Infinite

Imaginary

Illusionary

Nothing Exists!

 

 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

No matter how the ego tries to corrupt and make of the Infinite Experience an incredible compressed and fearful experience, his days are COUNTED. 

'God' does not actually give a shit about how much ego can corrupt the experience. God actually is untouched always.

There seems to be an apparent feeling of suffering but that is an internal hallucination within Infinite Love. Real You is always invincible and untouched of any of the ego´s bullshit. 

The key is to remind yourself the days are counted. 

Tic Tac. Ego will fall. And in the Infinite Reality 20-30-40-50-60 years of suffering means nothing.

God LAUGHS about the useless and constant attempts of the ego to leave a 'trace' on Infinity. 

This obsession of leaving a 'trace' or being 'you' even though it makes existence miserable is also useless because the days are counted for the ego. 

Just remind yourself this body has limited amount of breaths.

Each second, each day, each week, a lot less breaths to go . During How much breaths more will you corrupt God´s Infinite Love?  

Doesn´t matter if you do it until the end all ATTEMPS will be useless.

God will be and is untouched already. It doesn´t care.

So what is going to be? Will you surrender the fantasy of 'you' soon to enjoy what is left or you'll have to be "hammered down" at the 'end'? 

Epic shit.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The line of thought that tends to total detachment is useful for the complete rupture of old mental patterns, to then be able to dive into the depth of what it means to be human being free of mental chains inherited from thousands of generations. It's a necessary work imo

If one wants to detach from society, and live off grind and find self sufficiency then for sure they can do whatever they want, experience whatever they want, but when someone comes on public forums and says this is the reality all else is falsehoods illusionary and such then it goes a bit too far, its out there per say.. 

One needs a balanced approach when living a Householders life, where they have responsibilities and things that need to be done, one in this situations can still be in Oneness Experience and do it all but their Sadhana is different from one that is Brahmacharya and not in a societal environment, and can totally dedicate their lives to Spiritual Sadhana and work... 

This why the Guru is important, and why traditions were born and passed along, so we don't have to Constantly Reinvent the Wheel every generation and start over fresh, we can learn from the past generations and get their faster, with less resistance and more Willingness and Ease, which is what we need in today's world that is full of Chaos and Resistance and nothing working right for the masses!

Edited April 7 by Ishanga

[Davino]

Suffering or pain ultimately does not matter.

Ultimately does not matter, but relatively it matters a fucking lot!

I have been humbled too many times by suffering and pain to hold those positions anymore

Edited April 7 by Davino

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

Suffering or pain ultimately does not matter.

Ultimately does not matter, but relatively it matters a fucking lot!

Ultimately is when Putin sending millions of young Russian men to the front lines to be killed to find out where the mines are and to clear the way for the main military and war machines...Its all about Putin and his plans..

Relative is You being one of those Men! Its all about individuality and their experiences of Life and what matters to them..

Big Difference and says allot when one uses these sorts of analogies.. 

[Davino]

@Ishanga I don't fully get your point.

What is clear is that nobody wants to have his ass under fire. Empathy is a joke compared to when deep pain and suffering is actually happening to you. I have found my views on pain/suffering a bit naive with time.

Suffering can get so bad you would kill yourself to make it stop, everyone would...

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

One needs a balanced approach when living a Householders life, where they have responsibilities and things that need to be done, one in this situations can still be in Oneness Experience and do it all but their Sadhana is different from one that is Brahmacharya and not in a societal environment, and can totally dedicate their lives to Spiritual Sadhana and work... 

It depends on what your objective is. In my opinion no real change occurs if the old patterns have not been completely destroyed. It is necessary to achieve total detachment, the complete disintegration of the old ego structure and the expansion of consciousness without limit, to then begin the new pattern, completely free of learned ideas, absolutely real, born from pure reality.

It is like a revolution, before starting the new, the old must disappear. The world is somehow illusion, in the sense of its impermanence, and is also absolutely real in the sense of its substance in absolute reality. To realize the second, you must before realize the first. You must become the total formless existence, and from this point of view everything is revealed as an empty hologram. then you can become totally detached from the mind and then realize that this moment is total life in movement, absolute depth, be one with it and open to its enormous beauty, richness and complexity.

 

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Ishanga I don't fully get your point.

What is clear is that nobody wants to have his ass under fire. Empathy is a joke compared to when deep pain and suffering is actually happening to you. I have found my views on pain/suffering a bit naive with time.

Suffering can get so bad you would kill yourself to make it stop, everyone would...

I was agreeing with You:) Was just trying to use a modern day real analogy of what can represent "Ultimate" and "Relative" with Putin being the Ultimate and everyday ppl being used as cannon fodder to achieve Putin's goals, its absurd to say the least that one mans goals are more important than millions!

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It depends on what your objective is. In my opinion no real change occurs if the old patterns have not been completely destroyed. It is necessary to achieve total detachment, the complete disintegration of the old ego structure and the expansion of consciousness without limit, to then begin the new pattern, completely free of learned ideas, absolutely real, born from pure reality.

It is like a revolution, before starting the new, the old must disappear. The world is somehow illusion, in the sense of its impermanence, and is also absolutely real in the sense of its substance in absolute reality. To realize the second, you must before realize the first. You must become the total formless existence, and from this point of view everything is revealed as an empty hologram. then you can become totally detached from the mind and then realize that this moment is total life in movement, absolute depth, be one with it and open to its enormous beauty, richness and complexity.

 

Yes, I think this sort of objective for a person is what they call a Brahmacharya or a person on the path of Brahma or Ultimate Nature of Reality! Usually ppl like this isolate or go to an Ashram, that is why they are there for them to devote themselves to this, very hard to do in real world or everyday sleep, eat, work, then sleep again rituals, can be done but different all together, as You said it depends on ones objectives and goals! 

[Princess Arabia]

God or whatever you want to call it because it doesn't matter, you can call it horseshit if you like, IS THE PAIN AND SUFFERING. It is the denials of this message. It is the apparent ego. It is not laughing at the useless attempts to do anything, it is the laugh and it is the attempts. It is the every word that you wrote here. 

There's no need to surrender to anything, because there's no one to surrender. You have written this post as if God is doing anything. God isn't doing anything. It IS everything. Someone says this post has no value. No it doesn't. Neither does this message. Neither does anything. God is also the invaluable or whatever the word. Talk about the soldiers and wars all you like because that is also God. The baby suffering is also God. What the soldier and the baby is suffering from is also God. Don't you get it everything is God. Even the not getting it is also God. 

There's no point to me even writing this because these writing is also God. If you say to me then what's the point in doing anything, you're assuming you're doing or not doing anything in the first place. If you say you're not going to meditate anymore, not care about anything anymore, or go destroy the planet, the saying of those words is also God. If it so happens that those things happen, God is also the destruction.

You cannot make a decision or not make a decision because making a decision or not making a decision is also God. If I say to you how arrogant of you to think you're so special in believing you're so almighty thinking you are controlling anything, God is also the arrogance and the thinking it is almighty and powerful.

You see, there's no escape, if you come and shoot me for these words I'm typing, the gun is God, you are God, i am God, the gun powder is God, the bullet is God, the mourners is God, the grave is God, the news reporters is god, the tears is God, the memories of me my family will hold is God, the car you drive to my house is God, the plane you take to my state is God, if I give you my address, the address is God, the numbers in the address is God........i could keep going to Infinity.

Doesn't matter what you say because you're not saying anything because nothing is being said. God is not even talking to itself because God is also the talking to itself. There's no value here, there's no point to this message. If you say I'm crazy and delusional, the crazy is God and the delusion is God. I'm not crazy nor delusional because there's no "I" being anything. GOD IS EVERYTHING.

THIS IS IS FULFILLMENT, THIS IS FREEDOM, THIS IS ALL OF THAT ITSELF FOR NO ONE. You will still suffer and go through pain but there is no one suffering and no one in pain. GOD IS THE SUFFERING AND GOD IS THE PAIN. You are not God because there is no you. God is not you because there is no you. The you that you think you are is the dream. The individual is the dream. Take that out the equation and there is just what's happening ..what's happening is not a dream.

Edited April 7 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

@Princess Arabia that could be true, but same time, here is a wave to surf, a flow with which to become one, a mission to do, an evolution to carry out. don't you perceive it? the feeling that pushes you, that forces you to reconfigure your pattern of existence so that it fits perfectly into the flow of reality. It is complex, subtle, alive. and one thing can be deduced almost with complete certainty: if you are now in an evolutionary cycle, you always will be. the wave that is surfed is infinite, whether it is only apparent or not, the fact is that it is

 

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Princess Arabia that could be true, but same time, here is a wave to surf, a flow with which to become one, a mission to do, an evolution to carry out. don't you perceive it? the feeling that pushes you, that forces you to reconfigure your pattern of existence so that it fits perfectly into the flow of reality. It is complex, subtle, alive. and one thing can be deduced almost with complete certainty: if you are now in an evolutionary cycle, you always will be. the wave that is surfed is infinite, whether it is only apparent or not, the fact is that it is

 

That's the dream. The fact is there are no facts, there is no fiction. What is is and that's it. No complications, no stories, no ideas, even though, that's also it. Doesn't matter. Show me something that is not. There's no time nor space how can there be an evolutionary cycle. That evolutionary cycle you're talking about is within the dream. Let me know when you have accomplished what you so talk about in all your comments. Let me know when you have arrived. Let me know when you have broken all limits and become whatever it is that yours trying to become. I will give you my phone number if you need to so when and if you turn 80yrs old and still trying or have arrived. Let me know and i will stop this madness.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's the dream. The fact is there are no facts, there is no fiction. What is is and that's it. No complications, no stories, no ideas, even though, that's also it. Doesn't matter. Show me something that is not. There's no time nor space how can there be an evolutionary cycle. That evolutionary cycle you're talking about is within the dream. Let me know when you have accomplished what you so talk about in all your comments. Let me know when you have arrived. Let me know when you have broken all limits and become whatever it is that yours trying to become. I will give you my phone number if you need to so when and if you turn 80yrs old and still trying or have arrived. Let me know and i will stop this madness.

You don't have to wait until you're 80, I've already achieved it, all the time. Reality is alive and flows, and I dance with it. dream or no dream, what is, is. The living intelligence is looking at itself and flowing into itself. I open my eyes and see the depth, the brilliance and the glory. The structures intertwine to create art, the abyss is open and reflects exactly this, now. And I move in the direction that the cycle demands, because slowly or fast, there is always movement. You could say that it's illusory, that means nothing. You have to dance, that is a fact, any other thing is just theory