Israeli Society - 75% for same sex marriage or LGBTQ civil union, top Vegan country

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@GirzoYeah I'm Jewish.   And you are damn right i have a problem with some of Leo's videos on Hitler.   It's hard to hear that sending someone to their death in a camp is Love.  The deepest truth is that it is.  And as a jew by birth that's really hard to swallow.  But the pill must be ingested.

So yeah, I'm baised.  You're damn right I am. 

But they weren't uniquely persecuted in ancient Egypt and during WWII?  Please tell me what other people were and when?  

But whether they are unique isn't even the point here.  It's not what my point was.  I never claimed they were the only persecuted people - I simply said that they were.  Maybe I wouldn't defend other people of that time - but maybe I would?  Who could know.   I probably wouldn't- but maybe if I had somewhat of an interest in the topic i might. Listen- don't place a negative connotation on bias  - just take note of it.

Perhaps Israel is abusing power but that's not set in stone anywhere.   Right now the way I see it is that its simply looking out for itself.  

 

 

 

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[Bobby_2021]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Perhaps Israel is abusing power but that's not set in stone anywhere.   Right now the way I see it is that its simply looking out for itself.  

They literally blew up the Iranian embassy for no freking reason. 

How is this looking out for themselves?

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Israel wants to have an endless war going on so that they can use that as a cover for ethnic cleansing.

Even countries need narratives to do nefarious stuff. Israel is powerful enough to craft a narrative that they are the victims. 

You can even engineer the situation to get them to attack you so that you can use that as a justification for disproportionate bombing, which is what you really wanted to do. They have managed to convince the world that they are fighting a war against some formidable force which is not true.

Which is why this is a war of lies.

@Inliytened1 

Bullshit.   No way.  You can't prove this first of all so don't claim it.  That's a heck of a claim and why @Nivsch could no longer engage with you.  You speak from emotion and emotion alone.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Vrubel]

Truths to not overlook in this discussion:

 

• Israel saved millions of lives and secured a future for Jews.
• Israel was established on undefined land. And the Jews have a damn good claim to it as well as stark necessity for their own state, which ultimately constitutes the bottom line. 
• Most early Zionists were secular and socialist idealists who were desperate for peace, that spirit still lives on to a large degree in Israeli society. 
• Israel has no inherent problem with Arabs, just look at Arab Israelis. 
• Israel’s enemies are total savages in their potential for barbarity ( even compared with reasonable Arab governments which routinely make peace.)Israel must defend itself from that, there is no compromising on that. 
• There is a vicious cycle and both sides are responsible for that. 
• Israel deserves criticism (any Israeli will agree) but holding it up to some fairy tale standard and being intensely biased in the demonization of Israel is wrong. Ultimately the people that are engaged in the smear campaign totally dismiss the Israeli POV and practically don't respect their right for survival. 
• Conveniently overlooking the history you don’t like and arbitrarily choosing from what position you want to start to best serve your agenda. (For both sides).
• The whole attitude of just blame-shifting on Israel instead of being constructive and deeply understanding. There are clear limits of how much you can blame on Israel. 
• Hyperbolism is not truth but perversion and is just part of the demonization campaign. To avoid hyperbolism one must be true to (historical) context and similarities.

 

 

Edited April 13 by Vrubel

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

They literally blew up the Iranian embassy for no freking reason. 

How is this looking out for themselves?

There may be strategies you are not conscious of.  Did you consider that?  No one does something for no reason without complete insanity and I'll give Israel a lot but they aren't insane.

[Bobby_2021]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Bullshit.   No way.  You can't prove this first of all so don't claim it. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

They knew what was happening. They let their guard down, did not raise alarms. IDF took too long to respond. They knew what was happening.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-had-no-plan-for-a-hamas-attack-of-october-7s-magnitude-ny-times-reports/

Even Israeli media admits that IDF took forever to respond.

This is not characteristic of the most powerful military in the world. 

There is no way the rest of the world is going to accept whatever the IDF wants us to believe.

[Inliytened1]

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6 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

They knew what was happening. They let their guard down, did not raise alarms. IDF took too long to respond. They knew what was happening.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-had-no-plan-for-a-hamas-attack-of-october-7s-magnitude-ny-times-reports/

Even Israeli media admits that IDF took forever to respond.

This is not characteristic of the most powerful military in the world. 

There is no way the rest of the world is going to accept whatever the IDF wants us to believe.

How does this pertain to ethnic cleansing on the behalf of Israel?

[Bobby_2021]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

There may be strategies you are not conscious of.  Did you consider that?  No one does something for no reason without complete insanity and I'll give Israel a lot but they aren't insane.

Are you willing to consider that there are things that the IDF does that you are not conscious of?

What proof do you have of that they are doing stuff we cannot be conscious of?

They are trying to start wars. That's what they are doing. 

[Girzo]

44 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

And after that an another huge survival threat for the Jews when 6 Arab countries invaded here, forced them to develop a powerful army during the following decades.

All that is justified.

What is not is the last chapters of this story.

As I have said, they were bullied and became a bully themsleves.

[Girzo]

@Inliytened1 you are aware that the Old Testament stories are not accurate representations of history, right? Right??

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Are you willing to consider that there are things that the IDF does that you are not conscious of?

What proof do you have of that they are doing stuff we cannot be conscious of?

They are trying to start wars. That's what they are doing. 

Of course.  We - meaning you and me - are bystanders.  So that's an assumption on your part.   We are not sitting in the chambers where they initiate the attacks so you don't know the whole picture.   Its easy to judge from the outside. 

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[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@Inliytened1 you are aware that the Old Testament stories are not accurate representations of history, right? Right??

So the jews weren't slaves in Egypt?  Is that what you are eluding to?

[Bobby_2021]

35 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

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How does this pertain to ethnic cleansing on the behalf of Israel?

They used hamas attack as a reason for the ongoing cleansing.

The attack was let to happen by Israel. Could have easily prevented. But they didn't. 

22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Of course.  We - meaning you and me - are bystanders.  So that's an assumption on your part.   We are not sitting in the chambers where they initiate the attacks so you don't know the whole picture.   Its easy to judge from the outside. 

Because it's someone else that's killed there are "deeper things" we do not know that makes Israel justified in the killing.

Just ask yourself how would Israel respond if some jews were killed in an Iranian air strike. 

You wouldn't say that there are things we don't know that led to them killing the jews. You would accuse them of intending to wipe off Israel.

The bias & hypocrisy is so unfathomable. 

Israel creates wars and then cry that everyone is trying to attack them. They are repeating the same pattern with Iran.

I even supported Israel in the beginning. But their intention are not good. I don't want to be in the wrong side of history.

If you wondered how the entire world could be complicit in genocide, this is how. 

[Vrubel]

Just to to add (I know I am a bit late to the discussion) haha:  You cannot be objective on the issue without taking into account the uniqueness of Jewish history and respecting the Jewish connection to the land as a native people. Palestinians too are native to the land. The question of nativity goes deeper because both Jews and Arabs are native to a wider region of the Middle East than Just Israel/Palestine. Though for reality reasons we are just limited to that smaller land precisely because it's untenable for Jews to live in that wider region or elsewhere for that matter. 

Edited April 13 by Vrubel

[Bobby_2021]

There are too many lies surrounding the issue. 

I have to do more research and then come at it again, I like already did once.

Peace ♥️🤝🏻

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

On 2024-04-06 at 6:43 AM, Nivsch said:

A poll from 2016 📊

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/poll-76-percent-of-jewish-israelis-support-same-sex-marriage-or-civil-unions-455653

Another poll from 2017:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-79-of-israelis-back-gay-marriage-or-civil-unions/

Another source says even 79% while 60% are purely for (same sex) marriage:

https://marriage.hiddush.org/surveys/2181

Why Tel Aviv Is One of the Most LGBTQ-Friendly Cities in the World:

https://theculturetrip.com/middle-east/israel/articles/why-tel-aviv-is-one-of-the-most-lgbt-friendly-cities-in-the-world

Jerusalem too does not stay behind with thousands march in 2023:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/thousands-march-in-jerusalem-pride-parade-under-israels-far-right-government

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Veganism 🥑🍏

Israel ranks 3rd on list of 2020's most popular countries for vegans:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-ranks-3rd-on-list-of-2020s-most-popular-countries-for-vegans-641412

How did Tel Aviv became the vegan capital of the world?

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Two States solution 🇮🇱🇵🇸

Approximately 50% of the Israelis support two states solution, a detailed analysis inside:

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/51746

Israeli views on the peace process from Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_views_on_the_peace_process

Note that honestly oct 7th event might and probably will somehow complicate this picture.

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Appartheid?! 🤷‍♂️ 🕌⛪️

Lucy Aharish, the most popular Arab Muslim Journalist in the Israeli mainstream media in an in depth (1 hour long) video. Don't worry this is a well balanced very authentic self-documented video on which she talks also about problems she went through including racism. Worth watching:

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SD Green spirituality 🎑 🌱

New Age festivals. Quite strong in Israel:

https://brightnomad.net/festivals-in-israel/

I will add more content I will find to this thread to show our advanced aspects of our society to contribute to a more real, balanced and fair big picture.

Hope you enjoy reading, and every question or concern of course ask freely.

Jerusalem pride parade 2023

   Somehow all this multiculturalism, egalitarianism, and feminism run amok, plus hyper democracy and blind faith in western values and democracy justifies the genocide happening to Gaza??? The Nazis at it again with the Nazi socialist party tag line. And conveniently ignore the history of 100 years of Israel's bloody takeover:

 

 

 

 

[Merkabah Star]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

There are too many lies surrounding the issue. 

I have to do more research and then come at it again, I like already did once.

Peace ♥️🤝🏻

You seem to have worked it out with some of your posts I just read. 

You will just run yourself into the ground trying to reason with Israelis on this topic. They are beautiful people in general, its just a different mindset and the conditioning and brainwashing is deep and its starts from birth. It doesn’t help that all their media is geared towards the same narrative and it just repeats. 

I love your confidence. Keep being you.

 

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

 They are beautiful people in general, its just a different mindset and the conditioning and brainwashing is deep and its starts from birth.

 

A different mindset how?  Can you expand on the brainwashing? I think i am a bit baffled there.   Brainwashed from birth?  That's a pretty bold claim.  There isn't a lot going on here - we are basically saying that Israel isn't the bad guy here - but they are being portrayed as domineering squatters.   Depicted unfairly as the oppressors here when they have endured centuries of oppression. I'd say if you were an Israeli you might want to step in and have a say.  It doesn't mean we are brainwashed. 

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[Nivsch]

@Inliytened1 A strong military understandably creates an illusionary highly exaggerated picture of "oppression", while in reality what really there is is a friction, between two societies, in which both Israeli right wing policies, corrupted soldiers (many in this area, not just bad apples) and settler extremists, and Palestinian terror groups do harmful actions to one another that fuel the hate between the sides.

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[Raze]

54 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Inliytened1 A strong military understandably creates an illusionary highly exaggerated picture of "oppression", while in reality what really there is is a friction, between two societies, in which both Israeli right wing policies, corrupted soldiers (many in this area, not just bad apples) and settler extremists, and Palestinian terror groups do harmful actions to one another that fuel the hate between the sides.

If the neighboring Arab states had Israeli’s blockaded inside, controlled who left and entered, controlled their airspace, controlled their access to food and water, and let Arabs build properties on Israeli land, and bombarded them from the sky and arrested them by the hundred without charged everytime they acted up, you would call it oppression.