Israeli Society - 75% for same sex marriage or LGBTQ civil union, top Vegan country

[Bobby_2021]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In practice I don't see it. They keep going for more land. They are duplicitous, they say pleasantries but always go for more land.

The official policy is: grab land, ask for forgiveness later, once it's too late.

Is this liberal or conservative? 

8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Another toxic generalization. Only the far right want that.

There is no such thing like a left in Israel. 

I do appreciate you admitting at least the far right actually wants it. 

 

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[Nivsch]

Just now, Bobby_2021 said:

Is this liberal or conservative? 

There is no such thing like a left in Israel. 

Seems to me you already decided what you want to see so I don't feel It worth my energy to try to show you what I see in our society.

[Bobby_2021]

 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Is this liberal or conservative?

It is conservative in the sense that ultra nationalism is conservative, and that policy flows most out of ultra nationalism.

A liberal approach would be to share the land without trying to hog it all for yourself. To be okay with having less land.

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[Bobby_2021]

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Seems to me you already decided what you want to see so I don't feel It worth my energy to try to show you what I see in our society.

The American far right want to ban abortions and put women back in the kitchen. Far right in Israel wants ethnic cleansing. 💀

There is no left in Israel by any modern standards. 

[Bobby_2021]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is conservative in the sense that ultra nationalism is conservative, and that policy flows most out of ultra nationalism.

A liberal approach would be to share the land without trying to hog it all for yourself.

They have codified it into their written law that these Jewish settlements are something of national value. All these atrocities are state mandated. 

Same state also allows policies for veganism and LGBTQAI+. They uphold both together unlike anywhere in the world. Ultra liberalism and ultra nationalism. 

There two values are not mutually exclusive. 

[jimwell]

12 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I live on stolen land too

But I don’t go around lying and bullshitting 

Yes, If you're full of shit and can't help it, at least acknowledge it. 

[Inliytened1]

 

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not claiming they would conquer other nations. I am claiming they are building their nation of stolen land.

I have no problem understanding the Israeli perspective. It makes sense. But that perspective is narrow, hypocritical, and selfish.

It is not in alignment with truth or consciousness, which is my only concern here.

If you wanna dominate others to build your nation, go ahead. But I will call it for what it is: domination and selfishness, not righteousness.

That's good of you.  Well  - stolen land from when - the last 70 years as you stated?  Stolen land is relative.  Land is no one's.   It's just there for the taking.  The Jews see them as a threat and therefore they are nullifying that threat.   If you were treated like shit for decades or centuries you would do the same.  Look at the US when we broke free from Britain.  Do you think we would tolerate a threat to our land from next door?  Of course not.  We would take next door.  That's just survival.   Any nation would do the same. 

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[Nivsch]

3 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The American far right want to ban abortions and put women back in the kitchen. Far right in Israel wants ethnic cleansing. 💀

There is no left in Israel by any modern standards. 

The far right is tiny.

The right wing is ~55% but some of that is soft and wanted compromises.

The method here make the more extremists forces to be in more control on the government direction.

[Nivsch]

19 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

There is no such thing like a left in Israel. 

There is a camp of ~45% that totally wanted two state solution and don't want the west bank land at all. Do some research.

[Nivsch]

Rather than be so judgy ask Israelis what made them to be more suspicous of the other side in the last 30 years and why it is being dehumanized.

Hint: Fear

Both sides - Palestinian terror groups and Israeli sub-culture of troops units in west bank are equally to blame in this positive feedback with their actions.

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[Bobby_2021]

18 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

There is a camp of ~45% that totally wanted two state solution and don't want the west bank land at all. Do some research.

They don't have power. Even if 1% is far right, it will matter more if they are the ones in power, which seems to be the case in Israel.

 

16 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Both sides - Palestinian terror groups and Israeli sub-culture of troops units in west bank are equally to blame in this positive feedback with their actions.

That is partially true. Because Israel hold overwhelming control of the scenes and they never really intended to have peace in the region, even if everyone cooperated.

But Israel has a habit of poking the enemy and frustrating them enough, than when they finally strike back, Israel become the victim. 

What was the point of striking the Iranian embassy in Damascus? They want endless war.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

They don't have power. Even if 1% is far right, it will matter more if they are the ones in power, which seems to be the case in Israel.

 

That is partially true. Because Israel hold overwhelming control of the scenes and they never really intended to have peace in the region, even if everyone cooperated.

But Israel has a habit of poking the enemy and frustrating them enough, than when they finally strike back, Israel become the victim. 

What was the point of striking the Iranian embassy in Damascus? They want endless war.

No. They don't want endless war.  They got endless war. Against them.  They are simply returning the favor. 

[Nivsch]

@Bobby_2021 I can't talk with you with this generalizationist approach. I Don't know how to deal with it.

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[Nivsch]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No. They don't want endless war.  They got endless war. Against them.  They are simply returning the favor. 

With you in this. It is hard to understand a situation of a tiny country tries to survive in a giant Jungle unless you live in it.

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[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

With you in this. It is hard to understand a situation of a tiny country tries to survive in a giant Jungle unless you live in it.

Because they aren't looking at it holistically.   They just want to throw out current events but it's deeper than that.  Israesl isn't Nazi Germany.  They just want what any other current nation would want..  And there is a history to a nation that they don't consider. Not one that wants domination but one that wants freedom.  Power must be exerted in certain areas to obtain that freedom.  

Edited April 13 by Inliytened1

[Girzo]

@Inliytened1 You are biased and don't know history.

Jews are not some uniquely prosecuted people when we speak of history thousands of years back. Back then, every people had outlandish founding myths. Who Israelites were fighting the most were othere -ites peoples who were their cousins. They were not migrating much, could be considered normal for that period. They were not the only people who migrated around the world.

Somehow I feel if Freddy Merucry's people, Zoroastrians, suddenly organized and started grabbing land violently from other people, you wouldn't be defending them that they lost their original land.

What the hell even is original land. That's such a biased concept. No country has original land in this world. Everything had been stolen because homo sapiens were not the first apes to migrate out of Africa. And for a long time humans weren't settling, they were just traveling around, and traveling around, for tens of thousands of years!

Israel is abusing the power it have been given after the WWII. As a whole, they are acting like a bullied child becoming a bully themselves.

They are at least as guilty as Russia is of its today's wars. In both countires there's no seen resistance to the aggressive actions of its leaders.

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[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

They don't want endless war. 

Then give me one good reason why they did an air strike over Iranian embassy in Syria, violating all international laws, unprovoked. 

[Nivsch]

14 minutes ago, Girzo said:

Israel is abusing the power it have been given after the WWII. As a whole, they are acting like a bullied child becoming a bully themselves.

This is way oversimplified.

There was an escalation especially from the 1920's both sides participated in in a complex positive feedback.

And after that an another huge survival threat for the Jews when 6 Arab countries invaded here, forced them to develop a powerful army during the following decades.

Edited April 13 by Nivsch

[Bobby_2021]

Israel wants to have an endless war going on so that they can use that as a cover for ethnic cleansing.

Even countries need narratives to do nefarious stuff. Israel is powerful enough to craft a narrative that they are the victims. 

You can even engineer the situation to get them to attack you so that you can use that as a justification for disproportionate bombing, which is what you really wanted to do. They have managed to convince the world that they are fighting a war against some formidable force which is not true.

Which is why this is a war of lies.

@Inliytened1