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[yetineti]

@Bobby_2021

22 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Brother, the actual points haven't yet been made yet. The whole issue us a cease pool of lies, bias and plain denial to the degree it questions the common sense of people who are watching this unfold.  By everyone, I include me as well.

huh?

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The idea that Israel is under constant attack from all sides is a lie

It's not a lie. Israel is attacked with rockets regularly, and with terror attacks like in Oct.

You can argue about Israel's guilt in all that, but that they are under attack is a fact. And regardless of someone's guilt in the big picture, if you violently attack them then they will regress in their liberalism.

[Hardkill]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not a lie. Israel is attacked with rockets regularly, and with terror attacks like in Oct.

You can argue about Israel's guilt in all that, but that they are under attack is a fact. And regardless of someone's guilt in the big picture, if you violently attack them then they will regress in their liberalism.

But America, Canada, and European have already had a history of having been involved in many of the deadliest and bloodiest wars in the history of mankind. Yet, despite all of these wars, they have continued to become increasingly liberal/progressive significantly. 

I mean why didn't the US regress in their liberalism during the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Cold War, or after 9/11 and the war on terror in the middle east? 

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[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But America, Canada

America and Canada have never been attacked by anyone in the last century. The only exception is 9/11, and that just proves my point. You saw how America regressed after 9/11.

Pearl Harbor is the other exception but the US was already preparing to enter the war.

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[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

America and Canada have never been attacked by anyone in the last century. The only exception is 9/11, and that just proves my point. You saw how America regressed after 9/11.

Pearl Harbor is the other exception but the US was already preparing to enter the war.

But America regressed temporarily 9/11 for some years until we got Obama, who arguably became the first black president and the first liberal Democratic president in policy since LBJ in the 1960s. Even still, Obama still had US troops continue fighting in the Middle East to keep fighting the "war on terror."

Also, what about the fact that western, central, northern, and southern European countries were decimated in WW1 and WW2 in the worst ways possible and yet they eventually bounced back years later and continued to become much more liberal/progressive than before?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Also, what about the fact that western, central, northern, and southern European countries were decimated in WW1 and WW2 in the worst ways possible and yet they eventually bounced back years later and continued to become much more liberal/progressive than before?

Because a deep peace was reached after WW2 in Europe which was only broken by Putin 2 years ago.

Israel's situation is different. They cannot reach a deep peace because they are squatting on land which does not belong to them.

[fopylo]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because a deep peace was reached after WW2 in Europe which was only broken by Putin 2 years ago.

Israel's situation is different. They cannot reach a deep peace because they are squatting on land which does not belong to them.

Brother, who did the land belong to like 3,500 years ago? Weren't the jews inhabiting the land from the start?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, fopylo said:

Brother, who did the land belong to like 3,500 years ago? Weren't the jews inhabiting the land from the start?

Water under the bridge.

We live in another time.

Edited April 12 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because a deep peace was reached after WW2 in Europe which was only broken by Putin 2 years ago.

Israel's situation is different. They cannot reach a deep peace because they are squatting on land which does not belong to them.

Hmm...So, it's because Israel has never really been able to catch a break or a good safe period of peace to have a chance to recover and restructure their society in a more liberal/progressive manner in some what like Europe and all of the other westernized nations out there in the world were or have been able to before. Is my understanding of that correct?

[tenfo]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because a deep peace was reached after WW2 in Europe which was only broken by Putin 2 years ago.

Actually there was a Yugoslav war in the 90's in which my country suffered a lot and it's still holding us back compared to the rest of the Europe

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Israel has never really been able to catch a break or a good safe period of peace

They can't catch a break because they don't want a break, they want to dominate and take the land at any cost.

Since they have military superiority it is to their advanage to engage in war, theft, and domination. Domination favors those who have strength.

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[Hardkill]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They can't catch a break because they don't want a break, they want to dominate and take the land at any cost.

Since they have military superiority it is to their advanage to engage in war, theft, and domination. Domination favors those who have strength.

So, it's both because they've been constantly threatened by all of the surrounding Arab countries and because they want to keep taking over more territory for themselves as much as they can.

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[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

So, it's both because they've been constantly threatened by all of the surrounding Arab countries and because they want to keep taking over more territory for themselves as much as they can.

The two are connected.

[Bobby_2021]

8 hours ago, yetineti said:

@Bobby_2021

huh?

The information we have is contrived by Israel. Even media reports have to be pre approved by Israel to report.

Honest reporting is done by a few small independent journalists.

That alone is enough to muddle the conversation. All that we are hearing is one side of the story. How can we even have a decent conversation that way?

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They can't catch a break because they don't want a break, they want to dominate and take the land at any cost

Is the intention to dominate and the intention to ethnically cleanse some other group is congruent with liberal values?

Is using AI to maximize Killing ( for ex bombing a hamas fighter when he goes back to his family, to kill his wife and kids together) congruent with liberal values?

Israel wants you to believe that they are constant attack to justify their atrocities. 

This is why they bombed the Iranian consulate in Syria, violating all international rules, to trigger a bigger war so that they can drag the US into all this.

Now when Iran bombs Israel, Israel will suddenly remember it's right to defend itself. What kind of moronic behaviour is this? 

Edited April 13 by Bobby_2021

[Bobby_2021]

The Israeli legislature views jewish settlements as a national value.

This is codified into their legislature. 

That makes them an apartheid state.

Is this also all a response to being attacked from all sides? 

Or

are they simply racists themselves?

Which is a better explanation?

@Leo Gura

Edited April 13 by Bobby_2021

[Bobby_2021]

A nuclear state with a heavily funded military along with the most sophisticated intelligence agency has the right to defend itself from the attacks from a bunch of refugees that has barely functioning guns and missiles.

You are doing them a favor when you say Israel are the good guys who has no option but to respond to their attacks.

I am talking about the Israeli laws & courts favoring the settlers and the ethnic cleansing campaign. Are they also a response to the missies?

This is like going on a serial killing spree after a woman slapped me for poking her in the first place. 

 

Edited April 13 by Bobby_2021

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Water under the bridge.

We live in another time.

Careful sarge.  Nothing is water under the bridge.   By the way - Hitler's destruction of the jews wasn't love.   Why do you think Israel is so aggressive now.

Edited April 13 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

. They cannot reach a deep peace because they are squatting on land which does not belong to them.

Squatting?  Getting sick of your implicit racism.   I suppose putting them in gas camps was love to you but it wasn't to me.

[Leo Gura]

@Inliytened1 You got some attachment on this matter.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Inliytened1 You got some attachment on this matter.

Maybe you need some.    The jews have had thousands of years of persecution.   You can't blame the state for doing what it's doing.   Discounting history would be an error here.  

Edited April 13 by Inliytened1