OH MY GOD This is it!!

[Princess Arabia]

36 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

and can now make sense of it.

Right. The only sense I'm making of it now is that it's simply what's happening. Everything else is thought and memory which is a good thing because I would have had no idea what was happening still don't because nothing seemed to change only everything seems alive.

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[Princess Arabia]

50 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

It needs a frame of reference to experience it self as being a particular way

What if its not really experiencing itself, though. Only appears to be. What if nothing really moved and that's where the real magic is. What if its just infinite imagination without actual experience.

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[ExplorerMystic]

24 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no keeping it simple and letting it do anything. It is already that. Saying to keep it simple and let it flow doesn't compute right now. Thats like a command, a call of action. There's none of that, it's just what is already the case.

This person write what comes in the moment . Keep it or leave it . When compute start computing lets have conversation than . At the moment anything this person says would have counter argument. 

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[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, ExplorerMystic said:

This person write what comes in the moment . Keep it or leave it . When compute start computing lets have conversation than . At the moment anything this person says would have counter argument. 

Ok, this person.

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

What if its not really experiencing itself, though. Only appears to be. What if nothing really moved and that's where the real magic is. What if its just infinite imagination without actual experience.

If there was no experience there wouldn't be something. Imagination is a something.

It's an amorphous shapeshifter.

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[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Razard86 said:

If there was no experience there wouldn't be something. Imagination is a something. 

Ok, so even though it experiences itself doesn't mean it itself actually moves only appears that way.

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[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok, so even though it experiences itself doesn't mean it itself actually moves only appears that way.

Yes it's all an appearance for itself. So here is the trippy part. Everything is alive and dead at the same time. And your entire identity is the totality of your experience.

Nothing else exists outside of what you acknowledge as existing. 

So cartoon characters are just alive as the humans that draw them. When you draw a stick figure you are literally creating life. 

That one insight will blow your mind. 

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[Razard86]

Another analogy is think of yourself as an alive scenery that is always alive.

[Princess Arabia]

16 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

"OH MY I AM GOD This is it!!"

You are welcome. 😉

lol. Didn't feel like that last night it felt or looked or appeared as if it was everything excluding me, as if it was living and moving through me. I guess the I fell away. Don't know. More like it was never there.

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[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Another analogy is think of yourself as an alive scenery that is always alive.

Yeah it appeared to be more like that. Thats it. Only it seems like I wasn't in the picture, but that was explained to me earlier something to do with subjective and objective.

[Princess Arabia]

28 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Nothing else exists outside of what you acknowledge as existing.

I said that in my live last night. I said it is everything I'm conscious of. 

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yeah it appeared to be more like that. Thats it. Only it seems like I wasn't in the picture, but that was explained to me earlier something to do with subjective and objective.

You can definitely deny your human self out of existence. But it is still part of the scenary. 

But if you want to experience reality like those Neo Advaita do you can certainly do that.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You can definitely deny your human self out of existence. But it is still part of the scenary. 

But if you want to experience reality like those Neo Advaita do you can certainly do that.

I saw my body but it was if it was a part of the scenery. Thats what I mean. Not me as Arabia. Like in and out, in and out.

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[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

It IS everything living and moving through you. What do you think was typing the words? It was EVERYTHING, restricting itself into SOMETHING. When you type "I am God", it is God pretending to be a human typing "I am God". These are Gods words, even if they are not the purest representation of the truth behind "I am God"

It is what I said if you reread my comment. The only difference is it didn't feel as if it pretended to be a human it was just that, with no pretence. As if I wasn't me, as if it was all it. Thats what I'm saying. You're all telling me about me but I don't see me I saw all it. Whatever it is. I didn't see nor felt it it was just it. If you know what I mean.

[Yimpa]

Whatever experience you’re going through, I fully support you. You are God exploring God after all 

[Razard86]

46 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I saw my body but it was if it was a part of the scenery. Thats what I mean. Not me as Arabia. Like in and out, in and out.

Oh well then you got it. If you can feel everything inside you moving through you then you got it.

Now...next up Cartoon Consciousness! Can you become aware that drawings are alive? 

That one really takes an open mind.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Oh well then you got it. If you can feel everything inside you moving through you then you got it.

Now...next up Cartoon Consciousness! Can you become aware that drawings are alive? 

That one really takes an open mind.

Not right now please i'm still trying to get through idiot consciousness 😜😜

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

I didn't get that sense from this bit in particular. The only way "I" can fall away, is if "I" was something to begin with. Reality is a whole bunch of nothing. It never settles with any particular form, the "I" that fell away was one of these nothing burgers. However, the true "I" can't be reduced to nothing, as it is already that. It is already nothing and will remain true even if nothing is all there is. Chances are that your prior definition of "I" simply broke away, but don't stop there.

Yeah its like I'm using known phrases to express the unknown, trying to make sense of it. Using phrases i'm used to, but it's hard to explain. You know what I'm trying to say though.

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[Yimpa]

11 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Now...next up Cartoon Consciousness! Can you become aware that drawings are alive? 

That one really takes an open mind.

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Not right now please i'm still trying to get through idiot consciousness 😜😜

[ExplorerMystic]

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

It will collapse into more static empires.....

Have replied this before but it seems you have edited it. How do you know my insights is from "Trips". What you are doing is trying to play a game where you deconstruct a comment and try to convince that what input you are giving is correct . Have been in this intellectual BS long ago but not right now. There are many areas of intellectual discussion in human life but for spirituality direct experience what bring change. Spirituality is totally be in action. 

I didnt get again what you have written here "It will collapse into more static empires" . If you are trying to say at some point even "Non duality" concept also collapse. Yes than agree with you.

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

because the map is both the territory and not the territory at the same time. Ask yourself this....how the hell you know language at all? 

 

Again you are using some Non dual mumjo jumbo . Language exist because it is existence . Lets take an example : My hand exist because it is existence. What your hand is made of "Atoms" .what Atom consist ; apart from particle its 99.99% space. Existence and non existence playing hide & seek . its divinity in play.

 

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

 

All knowledge is intuitive. Intuition, knowledge, and being are the same. Any attempts to separate them WITHOUT knowing how they are united...is delusion. Many of you have fallen into the trap of demonizing language not realizing that your  human brain was designed to retain and capture intuition through models/maps. 

 

No haven't demonize language . Its our survival tool but when you are going all in spirituality. You see the limitation of thought. This my understanding of spirituality and why i like Leo approach because it resonate what i have experienced (that's why present in this forum) : Beyond Non duality  ; Emptiness , all religious concept human have made  is infinity . The only glimpse here is via insight . Those are experiences beyond human comprehension which brain / mind cannot fathom. It sends shiver through your spine.  It mostly fall in to alien or from different dimension. Your Brain / Mind has to be in optimal health to reach here. So why to demonize it . 

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

The reason many of you cannot remember your trips, is because your map making is not sufficient to translate the information. Is their something lost in translation? Sure. I cannot give you the experience of water in words, and if you have never experienced a liquid of any kind words would have no meaning to you because you need a frame of reference to have meaning. 

 

Why so judgemental here. My answer on this forum is according to the post . If I started talking only about my experiences. Is it going to help the person who have asked a specific question . The best way is out of love & compassion; i have to understand the query and answered it. You have mentioned about frame of reference. At some point this also collapse . Because infinity , Divinity , God (give it any name) doesn't have any reference point but yes in our day today life as a human we have to keep a reference point to live , survive , interact etc.

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

But maps can also be guides for those who tread the path later to verify. So if I explain what liquid is to a person who never experienced it, when they finally experience it they can reference what they were told and can now make sense of it. This is why schools and education exists. Humans learn and transmit that knowledge to future generations that have not yet had those experiences. 

 

Yes that why school exist . Education is very important . Instead of Maps i will say "Insights". But In spirituality once you decided to go on this path . At certain point you have to go alone . No guru is required. In poetical sense "This is your individual journey from alone to aloneness".

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Always remember....there are no humans, humans are just God as a bipedal creature. There is only God here. Education is not a mistake, words are not a mistake, these are creations of a divine infinite intelligence.

Lets have some more poetic sense "before insight you were chopping wood and after insights you have to chop woods". Even "Non duality" is a concept. That force called it by any name "Oneness" , "divine" , "God" , "Allah" "Love" etc. cannot be captured or define by thoughts. When you try to define it you are trying to restrict it within a framework. Surrender to it and enjoy the ride.

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