Game equivalent for women. How to make a guy stay?

[Raze]

54 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Show me an exciting relationship where the woman is really into the guy and isn't sure how the guy feels about her, and you're showing me a bad relationship for child rearing.

Show me a boring relationship with stability and certainty where the guy is super invested in the woman and she isn't feeling uncertain about his feelings, and you're showing me a good relationship for child rearing. It's not exciting... but it is functional.

So the pursuer vs selector dynamic between men and women respectively is one that is a best practice for creating stable relationships that make a good environment for child rearing.

Yes that makes sense, but I’m not sure what the solution is then, because purposefully killing excitement can put a relationship at risk itself, or stop you from even starting one.

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Yes that makes sense, but I’m not sure what the solution is then, because purposefully killing excitement can put a relationship at risk itself, or stop you from even starting one.

You don’t have to purposefully kill the excitement. Things will just naturally get more settled if the relationship is progressing.

And this more exciting feelings are replaced by more oxytocin/bonding/attachment feelings of wellbeing 

[Lucasxp64]

On 03/04/2024 at 0:41 PM, Emerald said:

[...] he fancied himself as philosophical and deep in the way he viewed his sexual philosophy. [...]

It seems to be like economical theory.

Economic theorists are hooked on painting the "idealized actor", but DOING business is different.

Edited April 4 by Lucasxp64
Make it briefer and keep the same point.

[Lucasxp64]

I agree with everyone here on the thread. Everyone is speaking some part of the truth. If anyone listens to Leo Gura long enough, it's obvious.

I agree that people for a healthy long-term deep relationship is more actualized as a person in general, I respect it on women. I appreciate her as a person to keep close by, and sex feels like connecting with her as a person that she is, not merely just a visceral connection to her looks.

My personal notes as a man wanting to improve his game, most of it are notes from Owen Cook's course, but I thought about breaking down each element into different types of love I need to bring in.

BE IN LITERAL ABUNDANCE: It will avoid you to be screwed over. Because hot young beautiful woman are in abundance. They will destroy with you if you are highly invested and not in abundance, that's how you protect yourself. NO WOMAN IS AN EXECEPTION. SHE HAS TO KNOW YOU ARE 100% NOT KIDDING  that you have ABUNDANCE, and that the moment she tries to screw you, YOU CAN LITERALLY FEEL 100% BODY, SOUL AND MIND moving to another girl just from where she came from.

There are different types of love:

# EROS: Physical beauty and sexuality.

**Keep a fun light small talk conversation going so it distracts her logical mind, so it gives space for the emotional/sexual communication to happen. So that the important sexual sub-communication can happen**

# LUDUS: Playful kind of love

- **Self-qualification is beta male strategy. That's why provider strategy is unattractive to woman.**
- **Flirtation. ATTRACT, DON'T SEDUCE.**
- Disengage the logical mind. Free Associate, talk just for the sake of having fun  in the moment. Speak with authority and high emotional energy even if you are talking non-sensical crap.
- Ludus stimulation is just like sexual stimulation, creating tension is crucial to increase arousal levels of LUDUS. It's not inauthentic to force it a bit.
- Playful, flirting validation, seeking, verbal playfulness
- NEED FOR VALIDATION: "I'm a cool playful and amusing guy, and you want my validation", not so much a "Hunk of a man that you want to ravish and only a naked picture of my body would be enough for your selection of me".
- Entertainment and excitement
- Game of seduction, Gleefulness, Playful, Amusing, Teasing, Fun, non-commitment, non-monogamous.

# STORGE

- COMFORT & SAFETY

- [[Assume Familiarity]]
- [[Look At What A 'HUG' Did To This Woman In The Middle Of A Walmart!]]
- Non-threatening, Familiar love, peace and physical safety.
- Peaceful and slow, chill

# PRAGMA

    - "I cheated on you because you could have never pulled me out from a club and fucked me, but you used your stability to manipulate me."
    - You want to do it through LUDUS & EROS because then she can never say you are tricking her with money, and she will know as A 100% SOLID FACT, you can pull women whenever the hell you want, just the same way you know she can do it. So it balances it out.
- Practical and traditional, resources, money, gifts
- Is a style of love that emphasizes the practical aspects of love. The pragmatic lover considers compatibility and the sensibility of their choice of partners. This lover will be concerned with goals in life, status, family reputation, attitudes about parenting, career issues and other practical concerns.

# MANIA
Mania is a style of love characterized by volatility, insecurity, and possessiveness. This lover gets highly upset during arguments or breakups, may have trouble sleeping when in love, and feels emotions very intensely.

# AGAPE
- Universal Love. Buddhist loving-kindness to all beings.

[Bobby_2021]

On 4/3/2024 at 10:59 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Ever seen the American Psycho movie, he's like a perfect example. Lol.

Patrick Bateman is literally me fr fr.

On 4/4/2024 at 0:08 AM, Raze said:

Women may prefer the role of being the selector, but then again so do men, I doubt the average guy would say he’d rather go through the stress of trying to pursue someone (risking awkwardness, embarrassment, rejection, or even reputation damage) over an alternative of women hitting on him and deciding that way, maybe if he felt too bad rejecting someone else

Men do select/reject in the way he chooses to approach women. He is selecting the kind of women he wants to pursue. So men are doing the active selection and women can do only passive selection. It's still fundamentally select/reject.

Men can select/reject on the basis of looks. 

I am a little weirded out when women are interested in me. I just don't know how to operate when women are in control. Perhaps I should let go more often. Although it doesn't happen too often. So it isn't much of a concern. 

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I am a little weirded out when women are interested in me

Leo once said to me, he doesn't trust women who are attracted to him. Here you are saying this. There it goes when tons and tons of men will say she approached me, but she wasn't my type, never his type; and the other tons and tons and tons that chase after women who keep running. They even chase after women who live in different countries, different cities they even move and relocate so they can chase, they ignore the ones that like them then they complain about the ones that don't. They call women easy who give it up easily and complain that when she plays hard to get. Makes no sense along with the rest of life. So it blends in perfectly. I might start a thread about this, just for the hell of it and to hear all the rebuttals and reasonings.

 

Edited April 6 by Princess Arabia

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Leo once said to me, he doesn't trust women who are attracted to him. Here you are saying this. There it goes when tons and tons of men will say she approached me, but she wasn't my type, never his type; and the other tons and tons and tons that chase after women who keep running. They even chase after women who live in different countries, different cities they even move and relocate so they can chase, they ignore the ones that like them then they complain about the ones that don't. They call women easy who give it up easily and complain that when she plays hard to get. Makes no sense along with the rest of life. So it blends in perfectly. I might start a thread about this, just for the hell of it and to hear all the rebuttals and reasonings.

All this happened because women are less willing to make approaches.

Women in general not making approaches is ruining the chances of even women who are bold enough to make approaches since men would instantly think that something's off.

You guys are huge proponents of getting men to act more feminine, cry etc. Now it's your turn. Act more masculine. Do more approaches. 

I can guarantee you that you will have way more chances to get into a relationship far more than men. Still you don't do it. 

Also I can guarantee that men get high from chasing. It's in our nature to go hunting and come back with the prey. 

[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Also I can guarantee that men get high from chasing. It's in our nature to go hunting and come back with the prey.

Highs breeds lows. No one wants you to get high so you get bored easily and go chase the next high. You're making my point even more. Men chasing women shouldn't be a high but a natural way to be, how nature intended. There's a reason for it and you're trying to go against it by your logical reasonings and understanding it from your logical mind. 

You're speaking from both sides if your ass cheeks. 

Edited April 6 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I can guarantee you that you will have way more chances to get into a relationship far more than men. Still you don't do it.

This isn't a problem because it really doesn't matter in the big picture, but you have to stop thinking about these things logically to even start to come close in understanding the nature of how these things really work in the "real" world. This sentence is a math equation. You yourself said you're a bit weirded out when women are interested in you, but you're here making comments saying women should do more approaching.

What that sneaky little mind of yours is doing is thinking its special and its the only one that's disinterested in women who shows interest but the rest of men aren't the same way, I'm special. When 95% of men are like this. Women approaching men is a bad idea. (on a general scale).

Edited April 6 by Princess Arabia

[Bobby_2021]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Highs breeds lows. No one wants you to get high so you get bored easily and go chase the next high. You're making my point even more. Men chasing women shouldn't be a high but a natural way to be, how nature intended. There's a reason for it and you're trying to go against it by your logical reasonings and understanding it from your logical mind. 

What you even saying? If we didn't chase like we do now, we would gone extinct long ago already.

Chasing is done exactly like Nature intended. And there is no logic involved in chasing. We are chasing only following the emotional instincts to get laid. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Bobby_2021 said:

If we didn't chase like we do now, we would gone extinct long ago already

If's aren't Realities. I can see there's no point here if were going down the if's route. 

[Bobby_2021]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You yourself said you're a bit weirded out when women are interested in you, but you're here making comments saying women should do more approaching.

And you think there is a logical fallacy in these statements?

Cute. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Bobby_2021 said:

And you think there is a logical fallacy in these statements?

Cute. 

Yes, it's logically illogical.

[Princess Arabia]

To tell you the truth @Bobby_2021I don't like to be chased. Especially by guys I'm not interested in. Didn't say I don't like to be admired. Difference there. so keep all the you should be lucky somebody chasing yo ass comments to the side. Doesn't feel good to be chased by the unwanted. If I like a guy, I will give signals and leave it to him to acknowledge them. If not....next.

Do you see how many guys that will sleep with any available pussy. There would be a lot worse than me-too movements and feminist groups and child-support problems going on in society if women were approaching men left and right it if that was the norm. Guys would be like sure, sure, sure, sure, yes, yes, yes, yes, let's go, lets go, lets go, lets go. The world would be in crises with all the angry and bitter women who would be bred from this sort of dynamic. 

Edited April 6 by Princess Arabia