Do you like nndmt?

[Thought Art]

Do you like nndmt? If so why?

I am not sure what to make of it..

[Thought Art]

@QVx Interesting, so you found it helped healing you?

I also find it healing. Don’t fully understand it. I’ve had multiple breaks through experiences into the impossible Mind scape thing. Seen many very interesting cool things. Realized reality isn’t material. Also a solipsism that is beyond human but it’s consciousness. 
 

I think prefer 5meodmt… but, realize each tool has its use..

[Thought Art]

@QVx Very true,

 

I've done nnDMT alone and enjoyed it. I had "visual" where I saw azetc masks, impossible shapes, the world revealed itself to be a manifestation of infinite intelligence through this nnDMT induced opening of physical matter. I've sort of entered into those fractals people may know from images and videos related to nnDMT experience and skipped through some radical state channels before returning to this "human" one. It's very visual, its interesting, it's very beautiful. I have done it alone and with friends. The time with friends was in a park, by a tree while two guys played a digereedoo.  That was also very insightful. I felt one with everyone there.

5meodmt has no visuals. It creates a radical state of ego death and presence. It can reveal to you infinite, truth, Goodness, God, forgiveness, perfection, solipsism, nothingness, wisdom, purpose, why the universe exists, Why love is the truth, What healing is/ deep insights into the truth of healing and wholeness, paradox, etc. One of the most profound things is you realize that You Are Self Love. You just didn't know it. It can also change the way you contemplate and reveal some profound truths about yourself and reality. 5meodmt is truly a remarkable substance. It has also made me more loving once I tripped. Soon after the trip I began speaking to a guy who was really stressed and socially isolated. My loving acceptance and simply listening healed him. Then, he became much more loose, open and social. His glow returned. So, it can heal you and those around you if you are able to integrate it. Though be warned, it can lead novices to being confused about how to integrate the state, what is means, etc.

5Meodmt is a field of mastery, and should not be taken lightly. It's a substance to work with and practice with carefully with spiritual intent over many years. It's really for people who are serious about consciousness work. 

I feel like, perhaps nnDMT could be more fun and novel for novices who have some psychedelic experience already. I found it more entertaining than the deep spiritual nature of 5meodmt.

But, I suspect nnDMT has great spiritual potential I have not tapped into either. I am not sure. 

5Meodmt can also create for me this sort of feeling of total understanding the root paradox of all things. But, I am still contemplating that. 

A deep goal I have with my Qigong practice is to radiate this love, acceptance, wholeness and health to others. Without 5meodmt I don't think I would have discovered Qigong. 

Edited March 31, 2024 by Thought Art

[Schizophonia]

33 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@QVx Very true,

 

I've done nnDMT alone and enjoyed it. I had "visual" where I saw azetc masks, impossible shapes, the world revealed itself to be a manifestation of infinite intelligence through this nnDMT induced opening of physical matter. I've sort of entered into those fractals people may know from images and videos related to nnDMT experience and skipped through some radical state channels before returning to this "human" one. It's very visual, its interesting, it's very beautiful. I have done it alone and with friends. The time with friends was in a park, by a tree while two guys played a digereedoo.  That was also very insightful. I felt one with everyone there.

5meodmt has no visuals. It creates a radical state of ego death and presence. It can reveal to you infinite, truth, Goodness, God, forgiveness, perfection, solipsism, nothingness, wisdom, purpose, why the universe exists, Why love is the truth, What healing is/ deep insights into the truth of healing and wholeness, paradox, etc. One of the most profound things is you realize that You Are Self Love. You just didn't know it. It can also change the way you contemplate and reveal some profound truths about yourself and reality. 5meodmt is truly a remarkable substance. It has also made me more loving once I tripped. Soon after the trip I began speaking to a guy who was really stressed and socially isolated. My loving acceptance and simply listening healed him. Then, he became much more loose, open and social. His glow returned. So, it can heal you and those around you if you are able to integrate it. Though be warned, it can lead novices to being confused about how to integrate the state, what is means, etc.

5Meodmt is a field of mastery, and should not be taken lightly. It's a substance to work with and practice with carefully with spiritual intent over many years. It's really for people who are serious about consciousness work. 

I feel like, perhaps nnDMT could be more fun and novel for novices who have some psychedelic experience already. I found it more entertaining than the deep spiritual nature of 5meodmt.

But, I suspect nnDMT has great spiritual potential I have not tapped into either. I am not sure. 

5Meodmt can also create for me this sort of feeling of total understanding the root paradox of all things. But, I am still contemplating that. 

A deep goal I have with my Qigong practice is to radiate this love, acceptance, wholeness and health to others. Without 5meodmt I don't think I would have discovered Qigong. 

5 MeO DMT is dispossession in a powder, i still can't take a large dose like being terrified and putting water in my nose to try to wash it away.

There is nothing to do, it's not "yang" confrontation at all, if it make sense.

mhh

 

Edited March 31, 2024 by Schizophonia

[What Am I]

55 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

5Meodmt is a field of mastery, and should not be taken lightly. It's a substance to work with and practice with carefully with spiritual intent over many years. It's really for people who are serious about consciousness work. 

I feel like, perhaps nnDMT could be more fun and novel for novices who have some psychedelic experience already. I found it more entertaining than the deep spiritual nature of 5meodmt.

But, I suspect nnDMT has great spiritual potential I have not tapped into either. I am not sure.

This is pretty accurate in my experience. 5meo is a profoundly powerful tool for activating your body's spiritual energetic system. By doing so, it clears away a lot of the mental baggage that's accumulated over this life, as well as previous lives in all likelihood. The breakthrough experience is comparable to a kundalini activation and nirvikalpa samadhi. Its ability as a substance to accelerate spiritual growth perhaps has no equal.

DMT for me is like a tour through the "ten thousand things" mentioned in eastern religions, which is to say it's a demo of the infinite complexity and variability available for experiencing. It can range from heavenly and benevolent, hellish and malevolent, and everything between and beyond. If 5meo is more on the superconscious/god level, DMT is more on the subconscious/soul level. When a trip goes well (which is more often than not thankfully), it's like a hypercharged therapy session mixed with ecstatic happiness and catharsis. DMT is mentally healing, but it hasn't been transformational for me the way 5meo has.

In my experience, oral DMT with harmalas is definitely the way to go as opposed to vaping. The experience is slowed way down and stretched way out, which really allows it to reveal its full character. I'd strongly recommend a legit oral dose before giving up on DMT completely.

Edited March 31, 2024 by What Am I

[Grateful Dead]

Haven't done it for a while. I usually only like it in high doses for breakthrough experiences. But I have to smoke quite a lot (30-70mg) and it's harsh on the lungs. It's great for mystical experiences. Once a bush of reeds in my garden taught me what desire is. Other times I've spoken to beings in the afterlife and so on. It's the most mystical substance for me. I only do it like once a year though.

[TheGod]

1 hour ago, Grateful Dead said:

Haven't done it for a while. I usually only like it in high doses for breakthrough experiences. But I have to smoke quite a lot (30-70mg) and it's harsh on the lungs. It's great for mystical experiences. Once a bush of reeds in my garden taught me what desire is. Other times I've spoken to beings in the afterlife and so on. It's the most mystical substance for me. I only do it like once a year though.

Do you now why I have never seen or experienced any beings on DMT? It always fascinates me when I hear people talking about DMT beings. 

[Thought Art]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

5 MeO DMT is dispossession in a powder, i still can't take a large dose like being terrified and putting water in my nose to try to wash it away.

There is nothing to do, it's not "yang" confrontation at all, if it make sense.

mhh

 

What do you mean by dispossession? You are finding it too overwhelming? 

That is perfectly fine btw, just wondering.

Edited April 1, 2024 by Thought Art

[Schizophonia]

4 hours ago, Thought Art said:

What do you mean by dispossession? You are finding it too overwhelming? 
 

Yes, i mean it's a feeling of complete helplessness, and indeed it's overwhelming.

4 hours ago, Thought Art said:

That is perfectly fine btw, just wondering.

 

👍

[RendHeaven]

55 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes, i mean it's a feeling of complete helplessness, and indeed it's overwhelming.

on the other side of that is absolute serenity and true masculine stillness

[Schizophonia]

4 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

on the other side of that is absolute serenity and true masculine stillness

Do you regularly trip on it ? 🤔

 

 

[Grateful Dead]

12 hours ago, TheGod said:

Do you now why I have never seen or experienced any beings on DMT? It always fascinates me when I hear people talking about DMT beings. 

My guess would be that you either took too much 5-MeO-DMT, because it alters the N-N-DMT experience if you take it too soon afterward. Like N-N-DMT then is more similar to 5-MeO. Or you haven't inhaled enough DMT on your previous trips. For me, it's really not easy to inhale enough DMT to have a serious breakthrough. Because the smoke is so hard on the lungs, I sometimes have to train for weeks so I can inhale enough. 

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

My guess would be that you either took too much 5-MeO-DMT, because it alters the N-N-DMT experience if you take it too soon afterward. Like N-N-DMT then is more similar to 5-MeO. Or you haven't inhaled enough DMT on your previous trips. For me, it's really not easy to inhale enough DMT to have a serious breakthrough. Because the smoke is so hard on the lungs, I sometimes have to train for weeks so I can inhale enough. 

Ditto

[Thought Art]

@Schizophonia 5Meodmt can feel like that. I have had many scary experiences when it felt like too much. But, I've also had many where I reached a point that was very profound, stable and amazing. Wow.

[RendHeaven]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Do you regularly trip on it ? 🤔

Not regularly.

5meo is the only psychedelic/drug that I have any interest left in

[halfknots]

Sublingual MAOI salts plus low-medium strength homemade cart. Much slower, more time to explore, incredible afterglow. When people claim nn-DMT is of lower value, I assume they haven't explored it's full potential.

Edited April 1, 2024 by halfknots

[Thought Art]

@halfknots This is potentially true

After some further expirimentation at low dose I can see more value than thought before. 

[actuallyenlightened]

On 3/31/2024 at 6:45 AM, QVx said:

Another big cost has been that I have suffered a complete physiological change. I can no longer consume poor quality food or alcohol without feeling ill; my digestive system is wrecked. I mainly have to eat single ingredient whole foods; I function best with high protein and fat, with low carbs. Effectively, my physiology tolerance to stress has been completely destroyed.

I get that too, and use DMT. I don't think that's a bad thing - just means that your body operates at a higher level and rejects unhealthy foods. 

 

[Javfly33]

I can verify at this point 5-meo-dmt feels scary or overwhelming not because is revealing something "bad" but because IS revealing something beyond the normal human system is used to experiencing/perceiving.

You can not just expect to Live 20-30-40-50 years of your Life as an ego consciousness, get catapulted into Infinite perception and expect that the system Will not react completely shocked and terrified.

Last months ive been tapping to the exactly same energy of 5-meo with yoga tools, and everytime this energy tried to be perceived/opened Up, i instantly see how the body and ego structure fast closes and rejects it in a way (even Though It does feel "beyond good", the body IS not used to that level of "goodness", so for the ego that level it is seen as "fear"). 

The point is to be preparing your body and mind in order to handle the energy of Infinity comfortably. Kind of like Building an stable staircase. Instead of jumping from 0 to 100 on a trampolin.

 

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Sorry for the derailing the topic, answering OP question my opinion is DMT is much more gentle and simple. Is basic non duality. But It does not have the breaks of perception that 5-meo has. So It is a limited non duality. All thought, stabilizing oneself in that level would already be a heavenly acconplishment.

[Thought Art]

@Javfly33 That is alright. Comparing these two substances it useful for forum users.