Jews genocide

[Heaven]

Is it really happening again?

Less than a 100 years ago, 50% of the Jewish population were murdered(Over 6 million human beings).

It seems like most people forgot the importance of promoting love. Your hate creates violence towards Jews world wide. Every Jewish I know that doesn’t live in Israel is afraid to show any sign of being Jewish. 

Where is the Love? Acceptance? Why being racist? 

[Danioover9000]

@Heaven

5 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Is it really happening again?

Less than a 100 years ago, 50% of the Jewish population were murdered(Over 6 million human beings).

It seems like most people forgot the importance of promoting love. Your hate creates violence towards Jews world wide. Every Jewish I know that doesn’t live in Israel is afraid to show any sign of being Jewish. 

Where is the Love? Acceptance? Why being racist? 

   Yes that event is called, during WW2 the holocaust.

 

 

 

 

Out of that holocaust came extreme trauma and displacement, and from that came the alt right wing nationalist group called Zionism, a desperate dream for their own Jewish state, even at the cost of the already Arab state then. From Zionism and many manipulative schemes behind the British gov, came the Al Nakba 80 years ago, and with it many conflicts:

 

 

 

 

   Therefore it's important to distinguish between other Jews and Zionists. At this point categorically Zionism is similar if not the same as Nazism when it comes to being ultra right wing and ethnic/religious nationalistic.

[Raze]

This is true, currently Jews are at greater risk of hate crimes and are especially at risk in Israel due to attacks from surrounding nations attempting to stop the onslaught onto Gaza.

 

[bebotalk]

human nature is dark, unfortunately. 

[Vrubel]

@Heaven We have haters but also lovers. The lovers are just more the quiet, upright productive types. I live in Europe and sometimes when I tell my Russian Jewish name, for example to my doctor I would get randomly extolled and they would tell me how much they admire Israel and my people. I always felt a bit awkward about that but now I appreciate that kind of people, they are important and not rare. If the hate gets really out of hand we have Israel now so the issue is not to take priority over other more pressing ones.

 

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Therefore it's important to distinguish between other Jews and Zionists. 

That's kinda impossible. For Jews the Zionist idea is not optional on a fundamental level: no Zionism means great peril and no continuation of the Jewish people. 

Anti-semitism is back from never being away, it's the reason Israel exists and it ironically makes the case for it and even strengthens it as it made and makes whole communities immigrate and flee to Israel.  

[Heaven]

@Vrubel Your words are definitely make sense..

Israel is making sense.

You don’t choose to be gay, black or Jewish..You are born this way. So the hate shows how close minded people can be. 
I thought we are in a different era, of accepting the other and give them the right to be themselves. I was proven wrong..

I heard something that said that people hate because they are looking for something exciting in their miserable life. I truly believe that if you’re content you can’t hate.

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

@Heaven We have haters but also lovers. The lovers are just more the quiet, upright productive types. I live in Europe and sometimes when I tell my Russian Jewish name, for example to my doctor I would get randomly extolled and they would tell me how much they admire Israel and my people. I always felt a bit awkward about that but now I appreciate that kind of people, they are important and not rare. If the hate gets really out of hand we have Israel now so the issue is not to take priority over other more pressing ones.

 

That's kinda impossible. For Jews the Zionist idea is not optional on a fundamental level: no Zionism means great peril and no continuation of the Jewish people. 

Anti-semitism is back from never being away, it's the reason Israel exists and it ironically makes the case for it and even strengthens it as it made and makes whole communities immigrate and flee to Israel.  

   How is that impossible? Look to Nazi Germany and what happen after, most Germans nowadays do not associate nor identify as Nazis anymore, therefore a psychological schism has occurred in their minds. Same with Imperial Japan, after Pacific war and suffering bombing of Tokyo, 2 atomic nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the Imperialist Japan had no choice but to surrender. Nowadays most Japanese do not strongly identify as imperialist Japanese.

   Even in the current situation with Palestine and Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza, facing ever increasing ethnic cleansing and genocide, they'll soon loose their identity to being Palestinians in the future. LOOK! Massive amounts of suffering Palestinians face, look at how much suffering is done before someone and some groups finally separate from and old group identity into a new one. It's all exactly happening just as described in Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits formed, ego development, psychological development.

   Now guess what must happen for Jews and even modern Israelis to separate from Zionism and alt right wing nationalist Zionists? Don't look away from what happened in the past, that trend is continuing to unfold with or without your observation. That is the price a person and group pays for being that ignorant, selfish, and evil, and purposely blind to the suffering they cause and perpetuate.

[Leo Gura]

That's rich, starting a thread about how Jews are the ones being genocided today.

[Thought Art]

 

I walked down to the ocean
After waking from a nightmare
No moon no pale reflection
Black mirror, black mirror

Shot by a security camera
You can't watch your own image
And also look yourself in the eye
Black mirror, black mirror, black mirror

I know a time is coming
All words will lose their meaning
Please show me something that isn't mine
-But mine is the only kind that I relate to

Le miroir casse,
The mirror casts mon reflet partout
Black mirror, black mirror, black mirror

The black mirror knows no reflection
It knows not pride or vanity
It cares not about your dreams
It cares not for your pyramid schemes

Their names are never spoken
The curse is never broken
The curse is never broken

Un! Deux! Trois! Dis: Miroir Noir!
Black mirror!
Un! Deux! Trois! Dis: Miroir Noir!
Black mirror!

Black mirror
Black mirror

Their names are never spoken
The curse is never broken
Their names are never spoken
The curse is never broken

Mirror, mirror on the wall
Show me where them bombs will fall
Mirror, mirror on the wall
Show me where them bombs will fall

Black mirror
Black mirror
Black mirror
Black mirror
Black mirror
Black mirror
Black mirror

 

Edited March 28 by Thought Art

[Merkabah Star]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

Promote love, drop bombs

But they wrote love on the bomb so its a love bomb.. 😀

[Thought Art]

@Merkabah Star ew

[Nivsch]

10 hours ago, Heaven said:

@Vrubel Your words are definitely make sense..

Israel is making sense.

You don’t choose to be gay, black or Jewish..You are born this way. So the hate shows how close minded people can be. 
I thought we are in a different era, of accepting the other and give them the right to be themselves. I was proven wrong..

I heard something that said that people hate because they are looking for something exciting in their miserable life. I truly believe that if you’re content you can’t hate.

👍💛

The whole discussion from the anti Israel side is almost always in a negative language (along with extraordinarliy reality twisting manipulations).

Edited March 28 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

👍💛

The whole discussion from the anti Israel side is almost always in a negative language (along with extraordinarliy reality twisting manipulations).

Yes, I see a lot of information twisting and stretching in order to demonize/hate while feeling righteous about yourself. People fundamentally misunderstand Zionism. Extreme right-wing Zionism is a part of it but certainly not what it is. Zionism can take up many forms and most of it is moderate, highly-reasonable, and peace-oriented. It is centered around the defense of the people and the building of the land. Yes, patriotic national values are part of Zionism. Jews need to stick together to be resilient, there is no way around that.  

 

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's rich, starting a thread about how Jews are the ones being genocided today.

He was obviously talking about the dangers of hate that Jews face outside of Israel. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

He was obviously talking about the dangers of hate that Jews face outside of Israel.

That's not genocide.

[Nivsch]

31 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

People fundamentally misunderstand Zionism. Extreme right-wing Zionism is a part of it but certainly not what it is. Zionism can take up many forms and most of it is moderate, highly-reasonable, and peace-oriented. It is centered around the defense of the people and the building of the land. Yes, patriotic national values are part of Zionism. Jews need to stick together to be resilient, there is no way around that. 

+1 ❤️

Absolutely. Know it first hand from the education I got in school here in Israel. I have learned about Israel's wars and about our aspiration to peace and at the end of the elementary school we were all into the hope that soon we will make peace with Syria. Half a year after that the 2nd intifada has started (2000).

Edited March 28 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not genocide.

 Nobody is making such an absurd claim, his point was another one.

[zazen]

Ideology shouldn't trump humanity. People can accept Zionism if it means statehood and safety for Jewish people but not ultra-Zionism if it means a Jewish ethno-state at the expense of indigenous people. Ultra-Zionists hijack the suffering of the Holocaust for their own ends. They nationalise and racialise Judaism as Islamists wish to globalize Islam and religionize every aspect of their society - economics, politics, social customs.

Israel claims their approach to be security-centric but just see it like this: If a house or shop gets robbed and the people in it are massacred in the process, fortifying security means installing locks, cameras and security guards - security is about being defensive and not going on the offensive. Justice involves going after the violent perpetrators - not destroying, blockading and starving the entire town in pursuit of them and claiming every innocent life lost as collateral damage or a human shield.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

 Nobody is making such an absurd claim, his point was another one.

Literally the title.

Edited March 28 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Literally the title.

Feels to me like he wanted to counter balance somehow the unjustness and lack of understanding of us (Israelis) and Israel in general. sometimes you have to shout to exceed louder voices. At least this resonate with how I feel often towards this issue.

Edited March 28 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Literally the title.

The title is just two words, no inherent claim to them. The hyperbolic clickbaity title was not invented yesterday.

He warns against the hate from the true masters of hyperbolism.

Edited March 28 by Vrubel