Gaza genocide

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How can AOC or others prove such? PM Bibi has never said he wants to kill all Palestinians. 

She also forgets that the USA has been a staunch ally of Israel since its founding. There are wider geo-political concerns. Would she want Bibi tried in the ICC?

[Merkabah Star]

Even just the collective punishment crimes are enough for the ICC to go after them. I doubt they will be imprisoned for it. 

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9 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Even just the collective punishment crimes are enough for the ICC to go after them. I doubt they will be imprisoned for it. 

collective punishment isn't genocide though. 

[Merkabah Star]

2 hours ago, bebotalk said:

collective punishment isn't genocide though. 

Collective punishment is a war crime and it’s pretty extensive with this conflict. I would say the international criminal court will bring charges to Israel in a big way. The whole world is pissed off with this conflict. It’s so extreme. 
 

is it a genocide? Didn’t the ICJ say it was genocidal intent? 

 

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9 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Collective punishment is a war crime and it’s pretty extensive with this conflict. I would say the international criminal court will bring charges to Israel in a big way. The whole world is pissed off with this conflict. It’s so extreme. 
 

is it a genocide? Didn’t the ICJ say it was genocidal intent? 

 

But there has to be stated intent by Israel to commit genocide. There was for the Holocaust, Rwandan or Bosnian genocides. At best we have inferals and no definitive statements or policies. 

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

9 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Collective punishment is a war crime and it’s pretty extensive with this conflict. I would say the international criminal court will bring charges to Israel in a big way. The whole world is pissed off with this conflict. It’s so extreme. 
 

is it a genocide? Didn’t the ICJ say it was genocidal intent? 

 

   Yes during the preliminaries the ICJ concluded it's was genocidal intent, yet later on due to technicalities they couldn't enforce a ruling or how to deliver a ceasefire, so they had to drop that case. IMO agumentation from the South African side was air tight and solid to the definitions and terms, and the Israel side had to do so much whataboutism, deflections, red herrings, slippery slopes, appeals to popularity and authority, and so many fallacies it was exhausting IMO. Also, not hating or instigating or drama, just observe this guy after he did that normand finkelstein debate with lex fridman:

   IMO this is disgusting and depraved behavior from Destiny, as an arguer it's shameful but again what can anyone do when you're with the popular side right? Shows that while Destiny's a good arguer, good political takes, he's poor in foreign policy.

[bebotalk]

 

Even the pro-Palestine debaters here were sceptical over the case of genocide. 

Edited March 27 by bebotalk

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14 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

But there has to be stated intent by Israel to commit genocide. There was for the Holocaust, Rwandan or Bosnian genocides. At best we have inferals and no definitive statements or policies. 

It looks like a genocide to lots of people, it seems. 

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Just now, Merkabah Star said:

It looks like a genocide to lots of people, it seems. 

And? that's not how jurisprudence works. There has to be evidence and then the ICJ and/or ICC has to rule. 

the key is intent. nobody has proven true intent yet. 

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

Just now, Merkabah Star said:

It looks like a genocide to lots of people, it seems. 

   I agree it shares a lot of patterns to genocide in the specific case of Gazans and West Banks being treated like this by the IDF. Definitions of genocide and also ethnic cleansing:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiN25SFpJWFAxVdSEEAHZd8ALkQFnoECCwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.un.org%2Fen%2Fgenocideprevention%2Fgenocide.shtml&usg=AOvVaw1M8y8-pODSUybLxLlKqMDm&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiN25SFpJWFAxVdSEEAHZd8ALkQFnoECEMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ushmm.org%2Fgenocide-prevention%2Flearn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities%2Fwhat-is-genocide&usg=AOvVaw11NSSteE1V1HVzNd-8SOjF&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiN25SFpJWFAxVdSEEAHZd8ALkQFnoECCgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGenocide&usg=AOvVaw1djSUKldHav8cdCKfESJP7&opi=89978449

 

Ethnic cleaning:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibt6S6pJWFAxVQVEEAHdeRBMAQFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.un.org%2Fen%2Fgenocideprevention%2Fethnic-cleansing.shtml&usg=AOvVaw2Cm5wG1iP2Fa-o7mqhV9Z9&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibt6S6pJWFAxVQVEEAHdeRBMAQFnoECEEQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEthnic_cleansing&usg=AOvVaw0iNjJKOa8Ldxeu0oa_KXAs&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibt6S6pJWFAxVQVEEAHdeRBMAQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britannica.com%2Ftopic%2Fethnic-cleansing&usg=AOvVaw1G1nnlkhETqy87ExFlAQmH&opi=89978449

 

IMO vey clear case and hard to argue against, only if you're ideologically invested in not admitting that harsh reality.

[Merkabah Star]

4 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

And? that's not how jurisprudence works. There has to be evidence and then the ICJ and/or ICC has to rule. 

the key is intent. nobody has proven true intent yet. 

It’s hard to prove at this stage. Let’s see where they take it. 

[Merkabah Star]

@Danioover9000

The court of public opinion say its a genocide. 

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said:

@Danioover9000

The court of public opinion say its a genocide. 

   If that's the case, then which court of public opinion is claiming it's a genocide?

[Merkabah Star]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Merkabah Star

   If that's the case, then which court of public opinion is claiming it's a genocide?

I think it’s the one based in Geneva. 😀

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

9 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

I think it’s the one based in Geneva. 😀

   Aren't you more pro Palestinian?

[zazen]

The ICJ ruled that it’s a plausible case for genocide - will take years for the final verdict if it ever comes. Collective punishment is very clear and evident though.

Genocide spans a broad spectrum. At its mildest interpretation, it could be fears of cultural or demographic displacement, as seen in some reactions to immigration. At its most stark its the outright and deliberate extermination of an entire group of people.
 

It’s not always a single sudden event but can be a lengthy process in the making. The worlds watching tracks being laid out for a disaster train, with a starving, trapped population and IDF gearing up for their Rafah operation. That's why even Israel’s own allies are straightening their backs and discourse now - even big names among the American right like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones and Candace Owen are calling it as such which will impact the collectives view on the conflict. 

Maybe it’s just the trajectory of what’s coming and what’s occurring that is getting clearer - and people don’t want to be seen as being on the wrong side of history.

Edited March 27 by zazen

[Merkabah Star]

7 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Merkabah Star

   Aren't you more pro Palestinian?

Not sure why you are asking me this? 

I said in the court of public opinion which means the general public around the world think it’s a genocide. Saying Geneva was a joke. 

[Nivsch]

When will this joke becomes off season? 🌾

A word being repeated thousands of times doesn't mean it will become truth, but only that this is an effective brainwashing tactic.

Edited March 28 by Nivsch

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2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

When will this joke becomes off season? 🌾

A word being repeated thousands of times doesn't mean it will become truth, but only that this is an effective brainwashing tactic.

Genocide is never a joke. And what makes you so certain that there is no genocide?

[Nivsch]

@bebotalk Lets ask it thay way - what makes you think there is one?