Leo you misunderstand Hitler completely

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

They are not honest enough to even admit the evil. Never mind changing it.

How hard is it to admit that America was a racist country in the past? That doesn't require any change of it.

Will liberals admit that their privilege & affluence they enjoy right now is a result of third world exploitation?

Even the liberals of today don't own up to the slavery they profit off of. Their entire world view would crumble infront of their eyes if they own up to it. 

Even back then, the founding fathers of America, aka the racists were the forward thinking liberals of their time. So you are essentially blaming the liberals for owing slaves back then.

Which is why the entire liberal virtual signalling is shallow, petty and deeply hypocritical. They want to guilt trip the conservatives into feeling bad and feel good as a result of it. The whole exercise is just soul crushing. I would stay 10 kilometres away from it. 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You make a good general point here. However, calling Trump post-modern is like calling a dog post-modern. That would be to give the dog too much intellectual sophistication.

Have you ever considered that the media DOES hate Trump and has propaganda against him and he's actually a good president?

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

My claim is that postmodernism began to become the dominant sociocultural reality in the West over 100 years ago, yes, and I've given you many examples that illustrate this.

   No, you're exact claim is that postmodernism was running the show starting from 100 years ago, and that you're mistaking post modernism for modernism, capitalism and conservatives running the show for the last 100 years. You also over look that Neoliberals are now running the show for the last 50 years and they and corporates have a more profound impact on society than post modernists.

   Also, you haven't provided that much evidence and examples to even illustrate your position. All you've done is weasel, dodge and deflect, red herring here and there.

[Yousif]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How hard is it to admit that America was a racist country in the past?

A lot of people are still racist and biased, but they got a bit smarter, back then their true face was explicit, today they’re hiding it and they exercise their devilry from the shadows.

 

[Yimpa]

44 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Even the liberals of today don't own up to the slavery they profit off of. Their entire world view would crumble infront of their eyes if they own up to it. 

Precisely. See explanation below 

 

[Leo Gura]

46 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Even back then, the founding fathers of America, aka the racists were the forward thinking liberals of their time. So you are essentially blaming the liberals for owing slaves back then.

Yes, although slavery is much older than that so it's not like they invented slavery.

[Yimpa]

36 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Have you ever considered that the media DOES hate Trump and has propaganda against him and he's actually a good president?

All 3 points are correct depending on your POV.

For example, with your last point, Fox News will claim and give examples of why he is a good president. 

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

All 3 points are correct depending on your POV.

For example, with your last point, Fox News will claim and give examples of why he is a good president. 

   Why would Fox News claim and give examples of why Donald Trump is a good president?

[Leo Gura]

Of course journalists hate Trump. Because a core value of journalism is truth and Trump lies 24/7.

Notice that those in the news biz who like Trump are not serious journalists, they are hacks, entertainers, and grifters.

Edited March 31 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Of course journalists hate Trump. Because a core value of journalism is truth and Trump lies 24/7.

Notice that those in the News who like Trump are not serious journalists, they are hack enterainers.

   Because a core value of journalism is true, and Trump lies 24/7, and each person has their bias, confirmation bias and preference, and ideological agendas, that doesn't make some Journalists biased and fallible?

   Those in the news who like Trump are not serious Journalists and hack entertainers, instead of being biased in favor of Trump because of their right wing ideologies and worldview? Would you say the same thing if it's a left wing journalist who likes Joe Biden, that they are also not serious Journalists and are hack entertainers like CNN, BBC, Majority Report, TYT for example?

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Leo Gura

   Because a core value of journalism is true, and Trump lies 24/7, and each person has their bias, confirmation bias and preference, and ideological agendas, that doesn't make some Journalists biased and fallible?

   Those in the news who like Trump are not serious Journalists and hack entertainers, instead of being biased in favor of Trump because of their right wing ideologies and worldview? Would you say the same thing if it's a left wing journalist who likes Joe Biden, that they are also not serious Journalists and are hack entertainers like CNN, BBC, Majority Report, TYT for example?

There is no comparison. No left politician lies like Trump.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no comparison. No left politician lies like Trump.

   I'm not making a comparison, I'm pointing out that this:

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course journalists hate Trump. Because a core value of journalism is truth and Trump lies 24/7.

Notice that those in the news biz who like Trump are not serious journalists, they are hacks, entertainers, and grifters.

   Is a bold and biased claims you're making for Journalists who like Trump are 'not serious Journalists and hack entertainers', and also claiming that Journalism has a core value of truth. If it's true, then what about Journalists who like say Joe Biden? Are they also hack entertainers and not serious Journalists?

   I'm just pointing out your language is very loaded in terms and presuppositions yet defined, when a more neutral and objective language is more accurate and solid, like for example you could've stated instead that 'Of course Journalists hate Trump because all Journalists have their own ideological biases, even though the tenet of Journalism is core to Truth instead of lies each person has their own biases and preferences and worldviews, and those in the news business are biased and partial to left-center-right wing political biases and ideologies, so when you see some Journalists who strongly like whichever politician or scammer pretending to be a politician, do note such Journalists are too biased, too serious and are hack entertainer instead of for the truth, 

[Yimpa]

Censorship is a hell of a drug 

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Is a bold and biased claims you're making for Journalists who like Trump are 'not serious Journalists and hack entertainers', and also claiming that Journalism has a core value of truth. If it's true, then what about Journalists who like say Joe Biden? Are they also hack entertainers and not serious Journalists?

Journalists are allowed to have their own opinions and biases. Some could like or dislike Biden.

But Trump is another level. You have to be seriously compromised in the truth department to like Trump.

Journalism is not a neutral profession like entertainment. Journalism requires truth and integrity.

Edited March 31 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Censorship is a hell of a drug 

Censorship is a drug?

[aurum]

6 hours ago, Nilsi said:

You would agree that a very intelligent psychopath can cause more havoc than a very unintelligent one, wouldn't you? In the same sense, capitalism, operating through relativism, pluralism, etc., is much more insidious than the plain old industrial-era capitalism, where the factory worker has a clear image of this capitalism (e.g. factories, bourgeois capitalists).

Today's capitalism is so decentralized and nebulous that most people don't even realize they are enslaved by it and, at best, can concoct some conspiracy theories to imagine where the center of oppression lies (e.g. deep state/elites, silicon valley, etc.), which is nothing but a coping strategy for the radically fluid and faceless reality of capitalism and the market forces that dominate their lives today.

There's some truth to this. Certainly things have become more complex, which can make it harder for the average person to make sense of things. Also the scale of society and the technology we possess means there is the potential for more perniciousness.

This does not mean though that we should go backwards and resimplify society though. This is instead a challenge to be addressed by becoming better as people. What is needed is more education, more personal development, more consciousness. Your mind has to evolve to keep pace with society's evolution.

6 hours ago, Nilsi said:

Quite the ironic, but predictable twist. Libertarianism, in many ways, is the ultimate conclusion of green liberalism in a world that still hasn't addressed the underlying economic and psychological realities of capitalism.

Lol. Keep dreaming.

6 hours ago, Nilsi said:

This is textbook stage orange hubris. First of all, let's not confuse capitalism with the economy (more on that later). Secondly, and most importantly, there is no guarantee of some utopian future; the future is radically open, and unless humanity takes full responsibility for it, I can guarantee you that the future we will create (or rather, let happen) will be dystopic, and much worse than what we have now.

(See Joseph Tainter's "Collapse of Complex Societies," Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West," or Manuel De Landa's "A Thousand Years of Nonlinear History" to dispel yourself of any such naive readings of historical progress.)

1) It depends on your timeline. Non-linearity / collapse is certainly possible on a short-time line. I am using a longer one

2) Yes we need to take responsibility for the future, this is obvious and doesn't need saying

3) All of the people you named are materialists who don't understand the evolution and intelligence of consciousness

 

The future is not just radically open. There is a clear line of evolution that is happening. And it's not towards more evil. 

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Journalists are allowed to have their own opinions and biases. Some could like or dislike Biden.

But Trump is another level. You have to be seriously compromised in the truth department to like Trump.

Journalism is not a neutral profession like entertainment. Journalism requires truth and integrity.

   If Journalists are allowed to have their own opinions and biases, and some could like/dislike any Politician, including Biden, then why is Donald Trump an exception given that he also does politics, lies like politicians, tries to charm and charisma and do demagoguery just like other politicians including Biden?

   So in terms of ad hominem, what makes Trump's bad character on another level compared to Biden's bad character? And why does this necessitate that Journalists who like Trump=compromised truth and integrity? Isn't there a degree of cherry picking and liking/disliking a character that doesn't necessitate or imply a person's immorality? For example a person might like Trump for his business product, but also dislike his political takes. Similarly a Journalist can like Joe Biden's political takes, but may dislike the racism he displayed 20 years ago, or may not agree with another domain.

   Journalism is not a neutral profession like entertainment? Do you mean entertainment isn't a neutral profession like Journalism?

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

There's some truth to this. Certainly things have become more complex, which can make it harder for the average person to make sense of things. Also the scale of society and the technology we possess means there is the potential for more perniciousness.

This does not mean though that we should go backwards and resimplify society though. This is instead a challenge to be addressed by becoming better as people. What is needed is more education, more personal development, more consciousness. Your mind has to evolve to keep pace with society's evolution.

Lol. Keep dreaming.

1) It depends on your timeline. Non-linearity / collapse is certainly possible on a short-time line. I am using a longer one

2) Yes we need to take responsibility for the future, this is obvious and doesn't need saying

3) All of the people you named are materialists who don't understand the evolution and intelligence of consciousness

 

The future is not just radically open. There is a clear line of evolution that is happening. And it's not towards more evil. 

   I agree that we need more, education, more personal development, and more consciousness. What about more human decency laws?

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

then why is Donald Trump an exception

Look, if this isn't obvious to you by now,  nothing I say can help you.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Look, if this isn't obvious to you by now,  nothing I say can help you.

   Don't be gloomy. I don't see how regardless of if it is/isn't obvious to me, that it justifies that whatever you say is nothing and can't help me. IMO a big assumption you've made about me. Maybe by providing me some concrete and clear examples to show how badly and evil Trump is in comparison to Biden might help clarify things for me and others reading?

   I'm just trying to see where you're coming from when you claim and justify that when a Journalist likes Donald Trump = lack of seriousness and hack entertainer, but liking Joe Biden isn't? Maybe if possible could you list some character traits from Donald Trump and Joe Biden that could justify this cherry picked standard for Journalists with right wing bias versus left wing bias?