US Political Spectrum Mega-Thread

[Hardkill]

I worked with ChatGPT on coming up with a pretty detailed breakdown of the US political spectrum

1. Far-Left/Radical:

• This segment includes individuals and groups advocating for significant social, economic, and political change. They may support policies such as universal healthcare, free higher education, wealth redistribution through taxation, environmental regulations, and social justice initiatives. Some far-left groups may advocate for socialism or even more radical ideologies.
• Examples of Ideologies: Revolutionary socialism, anarchism, communism, libertarian socialism including hardline anarcho-syndicalism and hardline social anarchism, and extreme left-wing populism.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Socialist Alternative, Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, Antifa, TYT (after they became vitriolic), Secular Talk (after it became vitriolic), Majority Report (though a bit more reasonable than TYT, Secular Talk, and other progressive YT channels), Vaush (also a bit more reasonable than TYT, Secular Talk, and other progressive YT channels), and Rational National (before it became vitriolic).
• Examples of Individuals: Angela Davis (activist and former member of the Communist Party USA), Richard Wolff (Marxist economist and advocate for worker cooperatives), Jill Stein, Rashida Tlaib, Infrared (Haz), Eugene V. Debs., and Norman Thomas.

Left-wing/Progressive:

• Progressives advocate for social, economic, and political reform to address issues such as income inequality, healthcare access, environmental protection, and social justice. They support policies like Medicare for All, tuition-free public college, a Green New Deal, criminal justice reform, and LGBTQ+ rights. Progressives can vary in their positions from center-left to left-wing, depending on specific policy preferences.
• Examples of Ideologies: Democratic socialism, social democracy, progressivism, pragmatic variation of anarcho-syndicalism, left-wing libertarianism, left-wing populism, and left-wing Independents.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Abolitionist movement, civil rights movement, Knights of Labor, 19th century People's Party, People's Party (1971), People's Party (formed in 2017), Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Center for American Progress, other left-wing think tanks, Socially Responsible Investing (SRI) Networks, Worker Cooperatives and Employee-Owned Businesses, Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFIs), Sustainable Business Networks, Social Enterprise Networks, and other left-wing business networks, Justice Democrats, Sunrise Movement, UAW, Rational National (before it became vitriolic), Democracy Now!, Jacobin, Current Affairs, The Intercept, TYT (before they became vitriolic), Secular Talk (before it became vitriolic), Majority Report, Vaush, Pod Save America, Michael Moore Podcast, Actualized.org.
• Examples of Individuals: Thaddeus Stevens, Frederick Douglass, Radical Republicans such as Ulysses S. Grant, William Jennings Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, MLK, Malcolm X, Lyndon B. Johnson, Bernie Sanders (U.S. Senator and democratic socialist), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (U.S. Representative and progressive advocate), Elizabeth Warren (U.S. Senator and progressive Democrat), Sherrod Brown, John Fetterman, Ruben Gallego, Jamaal Bowman, Ro Khanna, Katie Porter, Barbara Lee, Ilhan Omar, Pramila Jayapal, David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen, IRI, Destiny, Michael Moore, Leo Gura, Noam Chomsky, Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Mark Zandi, Ron Klain, and Shawn Fain.

Center-Left/Moderate Liberal/Liberal:

• This group occupies a more centrist position, advocating for pragmatic solutions that balance progressive goals with fiscal responsibility and market-based approaches. They may support policies like a public option for healthcare, moderate tax reforms, and incremental changes to address social issues. Centrist Democrats often emphasize bipartisanship and compromise.
• Liberals typically emphasize a balance between individual rights and the role of government in addressing social and economic issues. They often advocate for reforms within the existing political and economic systems, supporting policies such as expanding access to healthcare through private or public means, promoting incremental changes to address social inequalities, and favoring market-based solutions alongside government intervention.
• Examples of Ideologies: Liberalism, pragmatic progressivism, center-left populism, and left-leaning Independents.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Progressive Policy Institute, Center for American Progress, other center-left think tanks, more moderate factions within the Democratic Party, labor unions, the Kennedy family (except RFK jr.), the Warren Court, Keynesian economics, New Keynesian economics, Social Venture Network (SVN), B Lab, Conscious Capitalism, Aspen Network of Development Entrepreneurs (ANDE), Corporate Responsibility Association (CRA), and other center-left business networks, MSNBC.
• Examples of Individuals: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Ulysses S. Grant, Samuel J. Tilden, James Garfield, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden (President of the United States), Kamala Harris (Vice President of the United States), Pete Buttigieg (Secretary of Transportation and former presidential candidate), Al Gore, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Sherrod Brown, Raphael Warnock, Jon Ossoff, Nancy Pelosi (one of the greatest US Speakers of the US House in US history), Samuel Rayburn (also said to be one of the greatest Speakers of the US House in US history), Jim Clyburn, Adam Schiff, Alex Padilla, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, Tim Walz, J.B. Pritzker, Justice Elena Kegan, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, Jack Smith, John Maynard Keynes, Jason Furman, Larry Summers, Paul Krugman, Nouriel Roubini, Mark Zandi, Claudia Sahm, Paul Volcker, Timothy Geithner, Janet Yellen, Rob Rubin, Gene Sperling, Steve Rattner, Brian Deese, Ron Klain, Lael Brainard, Jack Lew, Antony Blinken, and Eric Holder.

Centrist/Moderate:

• Centrists prioritize pragmatism and moderation, seeking to find common ground between left and right-wing perspectives. They may support a mix of progressive and conservative policies, depending on the issue, and generally prioritize compromise and cooperation over ideological purity. Centrists often value stability and incremental change over radical reforms.
• Example of Ideologies: Pragmatism, moderation, bipartisanship, political Independence, centrism-populism, and possibly extreme centrism.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: New Democrat Coalition, Blue Dog Coalition, other conservative Democrats, Republican Main Street Partnership, Rockefeller Republican, other moderate and liberal Republicans left today, Independents, Third Way, Neoliberals, Bipartisan Policy Center, No Labels, Problem Solvers Caucus, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, New York Times, The Washington Post, NPR, and the Stone Court.
• Examples of Individuals: George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, Eisenhower, Richard Nixon (was in many ways the last liberal president in policy before Obama), Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, Ross Perot, Doug Jones (former U.S. Senator known for bipartisan approach), Jon Tester, Susan Collins (U.S. Senator known for moderate positions), Larry Hogan, Joe Manchin (U.S. Senator known for his very bipartisan stance and very heavy influence from corporate donors) and Kyrsten Sinema (known for her extreme bipartisan stance, lack of transparency, and very heavy influence from corporate donors), Josh Gottheimer, Abigail Spanberger, Jerome Powell, Ben Bernanke, Olivier Blanchard, Rob Rubin, Gene Sperling, Steve Rattner, and Merrick Garland.

Center-Right/Moderate Conservative/Conservative:

• This segment of the spectrum advocates for limited government intervention in the economy, fiscal conservatism, and traditional social values. They may support policies such as lower taxes, deregulation, free-market healthcare solutions, and a strong national defense. Moderate conservatives may be more open to compromise on social issues like same-sex marriage and immigration reform.
• Examples of Ideologies: Conservatism, moderate Republicanism, center-right populism, right-leaning Independents
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Republican Main Street Partnership, Rockefeller Republican, Blue Dog Coalition, other conservative Democrats, American Enterprise Institute, other center-right think thanks, US Chamber of Commerce, and other center-right business networks, The Ripon Society, the Vinson court, the Burger Court, the Rehnquist Court, the Roberts Court (before Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away and got replaced by Amy Coney Barrett), and some of the GOP Establishment.
• Examples of Individuals: John Adams, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, Chester A. Arthur, James Blaine, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley, William Taft, Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon (also began the War on Drugs and the Southern Strategy), Gerald Ford, Nelson Rockefeller, George H.W. Bush, Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema Ben Sasse, Colin Powell, John McCain, Adam Kinzinger, Mitt Romney (U.S. Senator known for moderate conservatism), Larry Hogan, Lisa Murkowski (U.S. Senator known for independent streak), Charlie Baker (Governor of Massachusetts and moderate Republican), Chris Christie, Josh Gottheimer, Hank Paulson, Jerome Powell, Jeremy Siegel (economist), Chief Justice Roberts, and Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

Right-wing/Conservative/Traditionalist:

• Conservatives generally prioritize individual liberty, free-market principles, and traditional social values. They advocate for limited government, lower taxes, deregulation, and a strong national defense. They may oppose progressive policies like affirmative action, gun control, and government-run healthcare. Socially, they often support traditional family values, religious freedom, and stricter immigration policies.
• Examples of Ideologies: Conservatism, fiscal conservatism, free-market capitalism, traditional values, right-wing libertarianism, right-wing populism, and right-wing Independents.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Hoover Institute, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, Family Research Council, Club for Growth, other conservative think tanks, most of the GOP Establishment, the Roberts Court (currently), the Hughes Court, US Chamber of Commerce, and other center-right business networks.
• Examples of Individuals: James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, John Bolton, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Mike Pence, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley (former Governor of South Carolina and conservative Republican), Mitch McConnell, John Thune, Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, Mike Johnson, Pat Buchanan, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Justice Neil Gorsuch, Justice Samuel Alito, Justice Clarence Thomas, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro (conservative commentator and author), Robert Mercer, and other right-wing mega-donors, T.S. Eliot, Russell Kirk, William Randolph Hearst, William F. Buckley Jr., Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Alan Greenspan, Steven Mnuchin, Donald Rumsfeld, Rex Tillerson, Mike Pompeo, and William Barr.

Far-Right/Reactionary:

• This segment encompasses individuals and groups with extreme right-wing views, often advocating for a return to traditional social hierarchies, nationalist policies, and authoritarianism. Far-right ideologies may include elements of racism, xenophobia, and white nationalism. They often oppose immigration, multiculturalism, and international cooperation in favor of a more isolationist or nationalist agenda.
• Examples of Ideologies: Nationalism, white supremacy, authoritarianism, extreme right-wing populism
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Qanon, American Renaissance, FOX news, OANN, Newsmax, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christians, and the Roberts Court (currently).
• Examples of Individuals: A majority of Republican/conservative elites in the US, right-wing mega-donors, Donald Trump, MAGA Republicans, Steve Bannon (former White House Chief Strategist and far-right nationalist), Ted Cruz (U.S. Senator and conservative Republican), Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, Marjorie Taylor Greene (U.S. Representative known for promoting conspiracy theories), Mike Johnson, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Chip Roy, Jim Jordan, Vivek Ramaswamy, Justice Samuel Alito, Justice Clarence Thomas, Richard Spencer (white nationalist and alt-right leader), Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Charlie Kirk, Robert Mercer, and other right-wing mega-donors.

 

There is some overlap with examples of each of these Individuals, Ideologies, and Group/Organizations put in each of their respective categories, but I think this is a good start. Let me know what any of you have to add to this breakdown.

*Extreme/radical centrism actually hasn't been officially considered as being really within the center or anywhere else within the spectrum; however, one could argue that it would be at the very, very center of the spectrum, but it is just as dysfunctional as any kind of extreme/radical left-wing ideology or any sort of extreme/radical right-wing ideology, in its own way. I want to say that both Manchin and Sinema and other right-wing corporate Democrats like them have been contributing to the problems we have today that are usually attributed to radical centrism. No Labels definitely smells like a major contributor to extreme centrism and corporate extremism. Then again, populist movements can also emerge in the center of the political spectrum, advocating for reforms to address perceived government corruption, bureaucratic inefficiency, or political gridlock. Centrist populists may prioritize anti-establishment rhetoric and propose policies aimed at increasing transparency, accountability, and responsiveness in government.

**Given that the use of the terms far-left, left-wing, center-left, centrist, center-right, right-wing, and far-right/Reactionary officially didn't begin to be used until around the turn of the 20th century in the US, we (including the AI) can only make best guesses as to which political figures before around the year 1900 were in which category on the political spectrum. All of them before 1900 were probably either some kind of centrist or barely at the center-left or barely at the center-right, except for James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Thaddeus Stevens, and Frederick Douglass. James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were staunch conservative presidents, right before and right after the Civil War respectively, both of whom strongly opposed civil rights for African Americans. Buchanan in particular was very pro-slavery, and was party responsible for the conditions that led to the outbreak of the Civil War. Thaddeus Stevens and Frederick Douglass, on the other hand, were probably firmly left-wing political leaders as they were fierce social justice warriors who fought like hell to abolish slavery and make the federal government grant all African-Americans American citizenship and every civil right/liberty.

***Nobody really knows what Trump is or what he truly stands for. However, he clearly is striving to be the dictator of the USA and is doing everything he can to escape justice for everything he has done.

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[Leo Gura]

Looks about right.

[mmKay]

That's actually pretty good. I copied your post ,  fed it to Chatgpt to create a version for Spain and it works!

[Hardkill]

Thanks guys!

Even with the assistance of AI, it still took a lot of time and effort to put it altogether in the most accurate way possible.

I'd like to also have this thread continue on as a place for me or anyone else on here to add on any more points or examples about each of these specific categories the US political spectrum.

 

Another obvious example of an extreme-right/radical right/far-right/hard-right organization in America and has only existed in the USA:

• The KKK

They have always been a white Protestant terrorist hate group known for their extreme racism, antisemitism, violence, and white supremacist beliefs. Just as horrible as Neo-Nazis, White Skinheads, Aryan Nations and any other white supremacy groups in America are.

This group originated in the Southern United States after the Civil War and has historically been associated with the South due to its origins in the Reconstruction era. The organization has had chapters and members in various parts of the country, including the Midwest and even some in the Northeast. The size and influence of the group continued to occur primarily in the South during the late 19th century, early 20th century, and mid 20th century. However, after Jim Crow laws finally came to an end, the size and influence of the KKK went on a very significant decline for decades through the 70s, 80s, 90s, the aughts, and 2010s (even during Trump's presidency), and 2020s.

Over time, the Klan's influence and presence have fluctuated, and today it remains a fringe group with scattered activity rather than a dominant force in any particular region. 

 

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[Leo Gura]

Maybe the KKK were liberals. Who can tell?

[Hardkill]

On 3/26/2024 at 11:08 AM, Leo Gura said:

Maybe the KKK were liberals. Who can tell?

Haha. Yeah sure.

Actually, maybe on some views like economic populism/nationalism. Many southerners and rural folk in America are actually socially conservative, but more economic liberal. A lot of more of them used to be that way during the extended New Deal Era (from the early 1930s to the mid to late 1970s) because they knew much help they desperately needed from not just the state and local levels of government, but also from the federal government starting officially with FDR's presidency and the Great Depression. 

They of course have always never really liked any kind of big government intervention policies unless it only benefited white christian American citizens in their areas economically. The Deep South has especially always been the most opposed to any kind of big intervention ever since before the Civil War. but it was obvious to every southerner and rural America throughout the entire country, during the Great Depression, that like what happened in the aftermath of the Gilded age, they once again had absolutely no choice but receive as much emergency assistance from the federal government as possible from the federal government. As a matter fact, they were willing accept to FDR and the Democratic party's idea of taking big government intervention action to a much greater level than ever occurred before in US History, as long as it didn't disproportionately benefit people of color or challenge the racial hierarchy of the South. 

Eventually, by end of LBJ's presidency, there became a growing number of southerners and rural Americans who no longer wanted anymore liberal/progressive economic reforms by federal government, especially because of the fact that the entire US government finally put an end to all Jim Crow laws in America by the mid to late 60s. This growing backlash among some Southern and rural Americans against anymore liberal and progressive economic reforms continued to grow as a decades long trend throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s, early 2000s, and early to mid 2010s. 

However, I think ever since the mid to late 2010s, that trend has been reverse amongst southerners and rural Americans, with rise in economic populism and economic nationalism along with Bidenomics. Hopefully this relatively new trend continues the way the Democrats have been steering it.

 

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[Hardkill]

Speaking of southerners, Beau of the Fifth Column (Justin King) and James Carville are southern liberal Democrats:

James Carville is a well known center-left Democratic strategist, who I've mentioned before became a brilliant campaign strategist for Bill Clinton's presidential campaigns and other Democrats in the 90s. After Clinton's presidency, he continued to be a well-respected campaign strategist and pundit for the party:

 

Beau is more left-wing than Carville, but he is still a sensible, pragmatic liberal/progressive Democrat:

 

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[Ishanga]

These Political Threads, perfect example of Intellect going out of Control, so much analysing so much division, assumption, data input and spitting it out to find some sort of answers, but Everyone comes back tomorrow with more questions and answers, one big loop of nothing!

I live in Toronto, Canada, I don't like this city, but I'm free to do just about anything I want other than infringing or hurt another, we have massive problems in this city and country,  but I can determine my own experience within somewhat so that I don't go crazy with it, except in traffic for some reason, was in Cancun recently on vacation, so what is there to complain about, other than Intellect go round and round in circles like here!

[Emerald]

A handful of people and ideas you put in the Far/Radical Left, I would say actually fall more in the Left Wing/Progressive category.

Like Rational National, Secular Talk, TYT, and Majority Report are not very radical because they tend to take a more incrementalist/reform the system stance on progressivism. And I haven't heard any of them express a desire for a total over-turning of the current economic system... even though they critique Capitalism. 

I feel like, in order for people to fall into the far/radical left, there has to be a focus towards revolution... and specifically socialist/communist revolution... particularly of the authoritarian left variety.

So, I would call all of them progressives... as they are more for Social Democracy adjacent reforms to the current system. 

But actual radical leftists would turn up their noses at all these figures because they would see them as not revolutionary enough.

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

On 2024-03-26 at 7:42 AM, Hardkill said:

I worked with ChatGPT on coming up with a pretty detailed breakdown of the US political spectrum

1. Far-Left/Radical:

• This segment includes individuals and groups advocating for significant social, economic, and political change. They may support policies such as universal healthcare, free higher education, wealth redistribution through taxation, environmental regulations, and social justice initiatives. Some far-left groups may advocate for socialism or even more radical ideologies.
• Examples of Ideologies: Revolutionary socialism, anarchism, communism, libertarian socialism including hardline anarcho-syndicalism and hardline social anarchism, and extreme left-wing populism.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Socialist Alternative, Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, Antifa, TYT (after they became vitriolic), Secular Talk (after it became vitriolic), Majority Report (though a bit more reasonable than TYT, Secular Talk, and other progressive YT channels), Vaush (also a bit more reasonable than TYT, Secular Talk, and other progressive YT channels), and Rational National (before it became vitriolic).
• Examples of Individuals: Angela Davis (activist and former member of the Communist Party USA), Richard Wolff (Marxist economist and advocate for worker cooperatives), Jill Stein, Rashida Tlaib, Infrared (Haz), Eugene V. Debs., and Norman Thomas.

Left-wing/Progressive:

• Progressives advocate for social, economic, and political reform to address issues such as income inequality, healthcare access, environmental protection, and social justice. They support policies like Medicare for All, tuition-free public college, a Green New Deal, criminal justice reform, and LGBTQ+ rights. Progressives can vary in their positions from center-left to left-wing, depending on specific policy preferences.
• Examples of Ideologies: Democratic socialism, social democracy, progressivism, pragmatic variation of anarcho-syndicalism, left-wing libertarianism, left-wing populism, and left-wing Independents.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Abolitionist movement, civil rights movement, Knights of Labor, 19th century People's Party, People's Party (1971), People's Party (formed in 2017), Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Center for American Progress, other left-wing think tanks, Socially Responsible Investing (SRI) Networks, Worker Cooperatives and Employee-Owned Businesses, Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFIs), Sustainable Business Networks, Social Enterprise Networks, and other left-wing business networks, Justice Democrats, Sunrise Movement, UAW, Rational National (before it became vitriolic), Democracy Now!, Jacobin, Current Affairs, The Intercept, TYT (before they became vitriolic), Secular Talk (before it became vitriolic), Majority Report, Vaush, Pod Save America, Michael Moore Podcast, Actualized.org.
• Examples of Individuals: Thaddeus Stevens, Frederick Douglass, Radical Republicans such as Ulysses S. Grant, William Jennings Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, MLK, Malcolm X, Lyndon B. Johnson, Bernie Sanders (U.S. Senator and democratic socialist), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (U.S. Representative and progressive advocate), Elizabeth Warren (U.S. Senator and progressive Democrat), Sherrod Brown, John Fetterman, Ruben Gallego, Jamaal Bowman, Ro Khanna, Katie Porter, Barbara Lee, Ilhan Omar, Pramila Jayapal, David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen, IRI, Destiny, Michael Moore, Leo Gura, Noam Chomsky, Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Mark Zandi, Ron Klain, and Shawn Fain.

Center-Left/Moderate Liberal/Liberal:

• This group occupies a more centrist position, advocating for pragmatic solutions that balance progressive goals with fiscal responsibility and market-based approaches. They may support policies like a public option for healthcare, moderate tax reforms, and incremental changes to address social issues. Centrist Democrats often emphasize bipartisanship and compromise.
• Liberals typically emphasize a balance between individual rights and the role of government in addressing social and economic issues. They often advocate for reforms within the existing political and economic systems, supporting policies such as expanding access to healthcare through private or public means, promoting incremental changes to address social inequalities, and favoring market-based solutions alongside government intervention.
• Examples of Ideologies: Liberalism, pragmatic progressivism, center-left populism, and left-leaning Independents.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Progressive Policy Institute, Center for American Progress, other center-left think tanks, more moderate factions within the Democratic Party, labor unions, the Kennedy family (except RFK jr.), the Warren Court, Keynesian economics, New Keynesian economics, Social Venture Network (SVN), B Lab, Conscious Capitalism, Aspen Network of Development Entrepreneurs (ANDE), Corporate Responsibility Association (CRA), and other center-left business networks, MSNBC.
• Examples of Individuals: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Ulysses S. Grant, Samuel J. Tilden, James Garfield, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden (President of the United States), Kamala Harris (Vice President of the United States), Pete Buttigieg (Secretary of Transportation and former presidential candidate), Al Gore, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Sherrod Brown, Raphael Warnock, Jon Ossoff, Nancy Pelosi (one of the greatest US Speakers of the US House in US history), Samuel Rayburn (also said to be one of the greatest Speakers of the US House in US history), Jim Clyburn, Adam Schiff, Alex Padilla, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, Tim Walz, J.B. Pritzker, Justice Elena Kegan, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, Jack Smith, John Maynard Keynes, Jason Furman, Larry Summers, Paul Krugman, Nouriel Roubini, Mark Zandi, Claudia Sahm, Paul Volcker, Timothy Geithner, Janet Yellen, Rob Rubin, Gene Sperling, Steve Rattner, Brian Deese, Ron Klain, Lael Brainard, Jack Lew, Antony Blinken, and Eric Holder.

Centrist/Moderate:

• Centrists prioritize pragmatism and moderation, seeking to find common ground between left and right-wing perspectives. They may support a mix of progressive and conservative policies, depending on the issue, and generally prioritize compromise and cooperation over ideological purity. Centrists often value stability and incremental change over radical reforms.
• Example of Ideologies: Pragmatism, moderation, bipartisanship, political Independence, centrism-populism, and possibly extreme centrism.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: New Democrat Coalition, Blue Dog Coalition, other conservative Democrats, Republican Main Street Partnership, Rockefeller Republican, other moderate and liberal Republicans left today, Independents, Third Way, Neoliberals, Bipartisan Policy Center, No Labels, Problem Solvers Caucus, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, New York Times, The Washington Post, NPR, and the Stone Court.
• Examples of Individuals: George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, Eisenhower, Richard Nixon (was in many ways the last liberal president in policy before Obama), Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, Ross Perot, Doug Jones (former U.S. Senator known for bipartisan approach), Jon Tester, Susan Collins (U.S. Senator known for moderate positions), Larry Hogan, Joe Manchin (U.S. Senator known for his very bipartisan stance and very heavy influence from corporate donors) and Kyrsten Sinema (known for her extreme bipartisan stance, lack of transparency, and very heavy influence from corporate donors), Josh Gottheimer, Abigail Spanberger, Jerome Powell, Ben Bernanke, Olivier Blanchard, Rob Rubin, Gene Sperling, Steve Rattner, and Merrick Garland.

Center-Right/Moderate Conservative/Conservative:

• This segment of the spectrum advocates for limited government intervention in the economy, fiscal conservatism, and traditional social values. They may support policies such as lower taxes, deregulation, free-market healthcare solutions, and a strong national defense. Moderate conservatives may be more open to compromise on social issues like same-sex marriage and immigration reform.
• Examples of Ideologies: Conservatism, moderate Republicanism, center-right populism, right-leaning Independents
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Republican Main Street Partnership, Rockefeller Republican, Blue Dog Coalition, other conservative Democrats, American Enterprise Institute, other center-right think thanks, US Chamber of Commerce, and other center-right business networks, The Ripon Society, the Vinson court, the Burger Court, the Rehnquist Court, the Roberts Court (before Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away and got replaced by Amy Coney Barrett), and some of the GOP Establishment.
• Examples of Individuals: John Adams, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, Chester A. Arthur, James Blaine, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley, William Taft, Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon (also began the War on Drugs and the Southern Strategy), Gerald Ford, Nelson Rockefeller, George H.W. Bush, Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema Ben Sasse, Colin Powell, John McCain, Adam Kinzinger, Mitt Romney (U.S. Senator known for moderate conservatism), Larry Hogan, Lisa Murkowski (U.S. Senator known for independent streak), Charlie Baker (Governor of Massachusetts and moderate Republican), Chris Christie, Josh Gottheimer, Hank Paulson, Jerome Powell, Jeremy Siegel (economist), Chief Justice Roberts, and Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

Right-wing/Conservative/Traditionalist:

• Conservatives generally prioritize individual liberty, free-market principles, and traditional social values. They advocate for limited government, lower taxes, deregulation, and a strong national defense. They may oppose progressive policies like affirmative action, gun control, and government-run healthcare. Socially, they often support traditional family values, religious freedom, and stricter immigration policies.
• Examples of Ideologies: Conservatism, fiscal conservatism, free-market capitalism, traditional values, right-wing libertarianism, right-wing populism, and right-wing Independents.
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Hoover Institute, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, Family Research Council, Club for Growth, other conservative think tanks, most of the GOP Establishment, the Roberts Court (currently), the Hughes Court, US Chamber of Commerce, and other center-right business networks.
• Examples of Individuals: James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, John Bolton, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Mike Pence, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley (former Governor of South Carolina and conservative Republican), Mitch McConnell, John Thune, Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, Mike Johnson, Pat Buchanan, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Justice Neil Gorsuch, Justice Samuel Alito, Justice Clarence Thomas, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro (conservative commentator and author), Robert Mercer, and other right-wing mega-donors, T.S. Eliot, Russell Kirk, William Randolph Hearst, William F. Buckley Jr., Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Alan Greenspan, Steven Mnuchin, Donald Rumsfeld, Rex Tillerson, Mike Pompeo, and William Barr.

Far-Right/Reactionary:

• This segment encompasses individuals and groups with extreme right-wing views, often advocating for a return to traditional social hierarchies, nationalist policies, and authoritarianism. Far-right ideologies may include elements of racism, xenophobia, and white nationalism. They often oppose immigration, multiculturalism, and international cooperation in favor of a more isolationist or nationalist agenda.
• Examples of Ideologies: Nationalism, white supremacy, authoritarianism, extreme right-wing populism
• Examples of Groups/Organizations: Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Qanon, American Renaissance, FOX news, OANN, Newsmax, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christians, and the Roberts Court (currently).
• Examples of Individuals: A majority of Republican/conservative elites in the US, right-wing mega-donors, Donald Trump, MAGA Republicans, Steve Bannon (former White House Chief Strategist and far-right nationalist), Ted Cruz (U.S. Senator and conservative Republican), Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, Marjorie Taylor Greene (U.S. Representative known for promoting conspiracy theories), Mike Johnson, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Chip Roy, Jim Jordan, Vivek Ramaswamy, Justice Samuel Alito, Justice Clarence Thomas, Richard Spencer (white nationalist and alt-right leader), Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Charlie Kirk, Robert Mercer, and other right-wing mega-donors.

 

There is some overlap with examples of each of these Individuals, Ideologies, and Group/Organizations put in each of their respective categories, but I think this is a good start. Let me know what any of you have to add to this breakdown.

*Extreme/radical centrism actually hasn't been officially considered as being really within the center or anywhere else within the spectrum; however, one could argue that it would be at the very, very center of the spectrum, but it is just as dysfunctional as any kind of extreme/radical left-wing ideology or any sort of extreme/radical right-wing ideology, in its own way. I want to say that both Manchin and Sinema and other right-wing corporate Democrats like them have been contributing to the problems we have today that are usually attributed to radical centrism. No Labels definitely smells like a major contributor to extreme centrism and corporate extremism. Then again, populist movements can also emerge in the center of the political spectrum, advocating for reforms to address perceived government corruption, bureaucratic inefficiency, or political gridlock. Centrist populists may prioritize anti-establishment rhetoric and propose policies aimed at increasing transparency, accountability, and responsiveness in government.

**Given that the use of the terms far-left, left-wing, center-left, centrist, center-right, right-wing, and far-right/Reactionary officially didn't begin to be used until around the turn of the 20th century in the US, we (including the AI) can only make best guesses as to which political figures before around the year 1900 were in which category on the political spectrum. All of them before 1900 were probably either some kind of centrist or barely at the center-left or barely at the center-right, except for James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Thaddeus Stevens, and Frederick Douglass. James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were staunch conservative presidents, right before and right after the Civil War respectively, both of whom strongly opposed civil rights for African Americans. Buchanan in particular was very pro-slavery, and was party responsible for the conditions that led to the outbreak of the Civil War. Thaddeus Stevens and Frederick Douglass, on the other hand, were probably firmly left-wing political leaders as they were fierce social justice warriors who fought like hell to abolish slavery and make the federal government grant all African-Americans American citizenship and every civil right/liberty.

***Nobody really knows what Trump is or what he truly stands for. However, he clearly is striving to be the dictator of the USA and is doing everything he can to escape justice for everything he has done.

   Jesus what a comprehensive post! This'll be a nice thread. This also is a good/bad example of political understanding:

 

[Hardkill]

13 hours ago, Emerald said:

A handful of people and ideas you put in the Far/Radical Left, I would say actually fall more in the Left Wing/Progressive category.

Like Rational National, Secular Talk, TYT, and Majority Report are not very radical because they tend to take a more incrementalist/reform the system stance on progressivism. And I haven't heard any of them express a desire for a total over-turning of the current economic system... even though they critique Capitalism. 

I feel like, in order for people to fall into the far/radical left, there has to be a focus towards revolution... and specifically socialist/communist revolution... particularly of the authoritarian left variety.

So, I would call all of them progressives... as they are more for Social Democracy adjacent reforms to the current system. 

But actual radical leftists would turn up their noses at all these figures because they would see them as not revolutionary enough.

Yeah, I thought about those ones for a long time. It was a tough call, but I decided to put them in both Left Wing/Progressive category and the Far/Radical Left. 

I do believe that their policies and stances are bold, solid left-wing policies, but they are not radical or extreme left-wing to the point of wanting to completely replace capitalism with some form of Socialism/Communism. These individuals believe in having a mixed economy of some sort, while promoting as much social justice as possible. That's my reason for putting them in the Left Wing/Progressive. 

However, their rhetoric has also has gotten to be increasingly toxic, too polarizing, and too vitriolic. They never used to sound this way before years ago. I am also getting really tired of the nonsensical long-shot ideas they keep coming with, such as Cenk's idea of running for President, trying to primary every Democrat out there including Biden who aren't left-wing enough, even in the most red areas of the country. 

Cenk, Ana, Kyle, Krystal, David Dole, Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland, and others like them really don't have a clue as to how to really win many big elections, particularly when it comes to winning the presidency because none of them have ever won any elections themselves or even worked closely with any successful politicians on any big campaigns. Furthermore, none of them have any real experience in having worked in any part of Washington or in any part of the US government at all, which means they don't really understand the political reality of negotiations and policymaking.

Moreover, instead of complaining so much about how the whole system is rigged and how Democrats never do enough, why aren't they out there canvassing a lot more on the ground like the original progressive activists did in the early 2000s or the civil right movements, or like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, and Jamaal Bowman and all of those contemporary progressive have been doing everyday?

Lastly, I really don't like how they've been saying and have been influencing so many of their followers to say that AOC, John Fetterman, Bernie Sanders, Warren, and many other progressives in Congress have sold them out and calling Biden "Genocide Joe." They are taking this shit way too far.

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[BlueOak]

@Hardkill
Genocide is too far when you respond with words and name-calling?

You'll have to break that one down for me, probably in a spin-off thread as we'll derail this one.

If they were firebombing the white house in a mass protest or causing riots in the streets, sure. That's what we used to call 'too far'.
20, 30 years ago protests would be huge, in an affected population, you'd see violence, you'd certainly see a lot of pressure groups that forced changed or recognition of a problem.

There is no bite back to funding and protecting a genocide. Really calling Joe Biden Genocide Joe shows how weak the left is. Your entire 'far left' apart from maybe Antifa are moderates. The majority report with Jamie and Michael used to be further left, now it's still moderate for me.

The American government is closer to center-right on the political spectrum.

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[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

@Hardkill
Genocide is too far when you respond with words and name-calling?

You'll have to break that one down for me, probably in a spin-off thread as we'll derail this one.

If they were firebombing the white house in a mass protest or causing riots in the streets, sure. That's what we used to call 'too far'.
20, 30 years ago protests would be huge, in an affected population, you'd see violence, you'd certainly see a lot of pressure groups that forced changed or recognition of a problem.

There is no bite back to funding and protecting a genocide. Really calling Joe Biden Genocide Joe shows how weak the left is. Your entire 'far left' apart from maybe Antifa are moderates. The majority report with Jamie and Michael used to be further left, now it's still moderate for me.

The American government is closer to center-right on the political spectrum.

Here we go again....

Yes, his backdoor funding to Israel's military is still not good; however, there has already been a noticeable transition in both rhetoric and policy from the Biden administration and the rest of the US government. The US actually abstained from voting against the latest UN resolution vote on the demand for an immediate Gaza ceasefire. I know that's still not ideal or not good enough, but that already has been a big break from the norm in US military/foreign policy with Israel:

 

The American government and the general electorate as a whole are center-right culturally, but are still center-left in policy overall.

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[BlueOak]

@Hardkill

Rhetoric means nothing without action. Calling Joe Biden Genocide Joe means about as much, it's the very least someone can do, for these radical far leftists that you are listing here.

If that is the radical far left?  What's an organized socialist party, an anarchist commune, or a thousand-man street protest that won't move till their demands are met and they are willing to risk prison for it? Where does that fit on the scale here? And don't tell me it's alongside Secular talk, Kyle is interesting when he's not overly moralizing, but he's not anywhere near a far-left radical socialist in his policies. 

No action is being taken to stop the genocide or real pressure exerted to do so. So no change will happen. It'll be done when Israel decides its done.

America is nowhere near the center-left. It's closer to fascist than it is leftwing. Note it's not fascist, it's just closer. Remember a government is both parties or all parties involved in the process of it, representing the people, but even the Democrats alone are center-right.

Themes of Fascism (And your two parties embrace of them)

Anti-communism (Both)
Anti-intellectualism (Republican)
Anti-Pacifism (Both)
Authoritarianism (Both taking steps here to avoid debates, silencing dissent where possible)
Corporatism (Both)
Conspiracism (Republican Mostly)
Chauvinism (Republican)
Class collaboration (Both)
Cult of personality (Republican)
Dictatorship (Neither)
Direct action (Republican)
Dirigisme (Neither)
Eugenics (Neither)
Heroic Capitalism (Both)
Heroic realism (Republican)
Imperialism (Both)
Indoctrination (Both)
Interventionism (Both)
Irrationalism (At this point Both)
Machismo/Heroic Masculinity (Republican)
Militarism (Both)
National syndicalism (Republican)
Nationalism (Both)
One-party state (Neither)
Perpetual war (Both though both deny it)
Populism (Republican)
Proletarian nation (Some not much)
Racism (Not touching this one)
Reactionary Modernism (Republican)
Social Darwinism (Both)
Social order (Both)
State capitalism (Neither)
Statolatry (Both given its corporations running things and their idolization)
Supercapitalism (America is in its heroic capitalism still, mostly)
Syncretic politics (Democrat)
Third Position (Neither)
Totalitarianism (Some of this in how your political system crushes anything but two parties)
 

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology

Is this screaming center left for you then?

Oh and if you are wondering, most of the far-left accounts were purged ten years ago and haven't been platformed since. Anyone that does hold a radical far-left view you'll never find on youtube, unless they can word things exceptionally well and someone gives you a link not buried in the algorithm. Michael Brooks was one such man.

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[Hardkill]

9 hours ago, BlueOak said:

@Hardkill

Rhetoric means nothing without action. Calling Joe Biden Genocide Joe means about as much, it's the very least someone can do, for these radical far leftists that you are listing here.

If that is the radical far left?  What's an organized socialist party, an anarchist commune, or a thousand-man street protest that won't move till their demands are met and they are willing to risk prison for it? Where does that fit on the scale here? And don't tell me it's alongside Secular talk, Kyle is interesting when he's not overly moralizing, but he's not anywhere near a far-left radical socialist in his policies. 

No action is being taken to stop the genocide or real pressure exerted to do so. So no change will happen. It'll be done when Israel decides its done.

America is nowhere near the center-left. It's closer to fascist than it is leftwing. Note it's not fascist, it's just closer. Remember a government is both parties or all parties involved in the process of it, representing the people, but even the Democrats alone are center-right.

Themes of Fascism (And your two parties embrace of them)

Anti-communism (Both)
Anti-intellectualism (Republican)
Anti-Pacifism (Both)
Authoritarianism (Both taking steps here to avoid debates, silencing dissent where possible)
Corporatism (Both)
Conspiracism (Republican Mostly)
Chauvinism (Republican)
Class collaboration (Both)
Cult of personality (Republican)
Dictatorship (Neither)
Direct action (Republican)
Dirigisme (Neither)
Eugenics (Neither)
Heroic Capitalism (Both)
Heroic realism (Republican)
Imperialism (Both)
Indoctrination (Both)
Interventionism (Both)
Irrationalism (At this point Both)
Machismo/Heroic Masculinity (Republican)
Militarism (Both)
National syndicalism (Republican)
Nationalism (Both)
One-party state (Neither)
Perpetual war (Both though both deny it)
Populism (Republican)
Proletarian nation (Some not much)
Racism (Not touching this one)
Reactionary Modernism (Republican)
Social Darwinism (Both)
Social order (Both)
State capitalism (Neither)
Statolatry (Both given its corporations running things and their idolization)
Supercapitalism (America is in its heroic capitalism still, mostly)
Syncretic politics (Democrat)
Third Position (Neither)
Totalitarianism (Some of this in how your political system crushes anything but two parties)
 

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology

Is this screaming center left for you then?

Oh and if you are wondering, most of the far-left accounts were purged ten years ago and haven't been platformed since. Anyone that does hold a radical far-left view you'll never find on youtube, unless they can word things exceptionally well and someone gives you a link not buried in the algorithm. Michael Brooks was one such man.

The Israeli lobby obviously has way too powerful of an influence on the US government for even the President of the United States to disregard and the Israeli government has too many hardline extreme right-wingers who have too much of a hold over Netanyahu:

 

Furthermore, such big positive changes take a long while to happen.

Besides, what practical action are people like you taking to actually make such change possible?

Not to mention, can you imagine how much the war in Gaza will be if Trump became president?

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[BlueOak]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

The Israeli lobby obviously has way too powerful of an influence on the US government for even the President of the United States to disregard and the Israeli government has too many hardline extreme right-wingers who have too much of a hold over Netanyahu:

 

Furthermore, such big positive changes take a long while to happen.

Besides, what practical action are people like you taking to actually make such change possible?

Not to mention, can you imagine how much the war in Gaza will be if Trump became president?

1) Israel having that much influence over your country is not at all healthy and should be stopped right now.

2) Stopping weapons shipments takes 5 seconds.

3) What am I doing? I am not the president of the United states. If you are insinuating I have some power over the American government overseas and I am not using it, by all means let me know and I'll go and do it. This is a strawman deflection, and you know it.

4) Nobody mentioned Trump. Another strawman in this conversation. - I am specifically speaking about:
A) Your analysis of the political spectrum is skewed a long way from the actual political spectrum.
B) Your annoyance with people name-calling a man with the most power in the face of this genocide is frankly mind-boggling. 

Now we can add to it:
Stopping weapon shipments and leveraging power over a small country that relies on you to survive, does not take a long time. Biden is extremely pro-Israel and okay with what is going on; otherwise, this wouldn't be happening with American support. If you need me to say Trump is too for your election, yes, politically, your entire country is pro-genocide. (And so is mine)

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[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

10 hours ago, Hardkill said:

The Israeli lobby obviously has way too powerful of an influence on the US government for even the President of the United States to disregard and the Israeli government has too many hardline extreme right-wingers who have too much of a hold over Netanyahu:

 

Furthermore, such big positive changes take a long while to happen.

Besides, what practical action are people like you taking to actually make such change possible?

Not to mention, can you imagine how much the war in Gaza will be if Trump became president?

   The main reason why the Israel looby is too powerful are the following:

Neoliberalism and ties between American and Israeli elites, predatory capitalism, and corporate lobbying into politics run amok in the USA government.

Blind spot, bias and preference for egalitarianism, multiculturalism, democracy, Liberalism, individualism and human rights, feminism, and equality that the USA/ western division cultures projected onto Israel. Basically in terms of developmental factors, like cognition, morality, mass psychology development, personality, ego development, mass hallucinated states of being/becoming within society, Other lines of development, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by cultural/societal programming, metanarratives, information ecology and disinformation/misinformation campaigns, propaganda, and worldviews.

The mass cognitive dissonance and blind spots of categorizing Israel ruled by Zionism as a authoritarian regime similar to Nazism and the Nazi Party. 

[Hardkill]

14 hours ago, BlueOak said:

1) Israel having that much influence over your country is not at all healthy and should be stopped right now.

2) Stopping weapons shipments takes 5 seconds.

3) What am I doing? I am not the president of the United states. If you are insinuating I have some power over the American government overseas and I am not using it, by all means let me know and I'll go and do it. This is a strawman deflection, and you know it.

4) Nobody mentioned Trump. Another strawman in this conversation. - I am specifically speaking about:
A) Your analysis of the political spectrum is skewed a long way from the actual political spectrum.
B) Your annoyance with people name-calling a man with the most power in the face of this genocide is frankly mind-boggling. 

Now we can add to it:
Stopping weapon shipments and leveraging power over a small country that relies on you to survive, does not take a long time. Biden is extremely pro-Israel and okay with what is going on; otherwise, this wouldn't be happening with American support. If you need me to say Trump is too for your election, yes, politically, your entire country is pro-genocide. (And so is mine)

Did you watch that whole video with Professor Mearsheimer. He explains how and why Biden and the US government cannot just simply stop weapons shipments. Otherwise, the Israeli lobby will go after Biden and his party politically with campaign attack ads saying that they betrayed Israel.

Also, there are still to this day, A LOT more Democratic and Independents voters in this country who are Jewish/pro-Israeli than there are Democratic and Independent voters who are Muslim/pro-palestinian voters throughout all of America. Biden and his party cannot afford to lose too many Jewish/pro-Israeli voters in America as well for the upcoming election.

[BlueOak]

@Hardkill
I know there is more of your country and, to a lesser extent mine, pro-genocide. Not democratic voters, but the country as a whole. Not disputing that, the countries are almost fascist. Just like if there is some terrorist incident in America, Israel or England as a result my response will be oh, well you supported/committed genocide so what did you/we expect, consideration for human life? A bit like the Russian club, I was sitting there thinking, why is this news again after two years of Russia bombing a civilian population in Ukraine?

Sorry I looked at the video for a while, but I can't stand that man. Usually, his takes are simplistic and at face value. Its a genuine flaw of mine that I need depth, certainty/understanding, and I realize not everyone speaks like that.

It's more convenient, so nobody challenges it. I understand that and accept that. That's how the left has become the weak ineffective thing it is today. Convenience. Its also why the world follows along right-wing think tanks that are leading us to a burned-up planet and perpetual war. Which the democrats mostly embrace also as they are on the right. 

There are a variety of ways Biden could reduce the power of a single lobby. I imagine its done already for certain groups trying to form together. It certainly is for any third party trying to form, and then people say 'oh its the system', well yeah, that is the point. If America wanted to, it could create a system where a single group of people don't have you in a chokehold over policies. The trouble is Biden wants to be in that chokehold because he agrees with it, and so does a significant percentage of the population. 

So is it a choke hold, or is that just window dressing to make you all feel good for backing genocide?

BTW this is still probably electoral suicide among his own voters, and yeah another push past the center-right for the Democrats. If you look at the political compass your country falls way past center:

Here is the 2020 reading

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

Now we can see why genocide is not only tolerated but supported, by a true reflection of where your country and mine if you search around on the left bar there, fall on the political compass. The entire world has shifted to the right, a great distance.

I wonder where the next reading will be, off the scale?

 

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[BlueOak]

Here you go for people who are skimming the thread, America's 2020 election political compass. 2024 will be done toward the end.
 

Edited March 31 by BlueOak