Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Husseinisdoingfine]

A gang of Israeli settlers attack a 17 yo Palestinian, Kusai, with clubs, while his mother, Ala, screams in horror in the background. (Masafer Yatta)

https://x.com/yuval_abraham/status/1905744410970865709

 

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Nivsch what do you think about this video? There are lies in it? I don't mean about the comparison between holocaust and gaza, but about the statistics, the people who watch the bombing with the kids, etc 

 

The comparison isn't worth my calories to react about because I, personally, want to gain weight, so I will jump to the statistics.

I don't know what is too much or too little. Is it about the harm to hamas? Gaza as a whole? Many will think that there is a need for more firepower because they think this is the way to eliminate hamas. So I really don't understand what he was trying to do here, or actually I do understand.

This is true that there are many that have at this times no emphaty at all to the Palestinians whatsoever and for them they are mostly all the same.

From what I see I have the impression that most (at least half for sure) of Israelis want Bibi to sign on phase B of the deal, release the hostages and end the war.

I know this is very difficult and counter-intuitive to see about a small country that our brain interpret in a homogenous way, but Israel is diverse enough in a similar way in which America is, and include couple of totally differemt societies and sectors, and particulary about the war and in present days, Israel is divided to two opposing societies.

This makes more sense if we remember that Jews came here from different continents and from totally different cultures.

99% of those Youtube videos are made by people who have never visited in Israel and have no real understanding on Israeli society.

Here is a list of public leaders and journalists that can help to understand the political situation in Israel:

 

Edited Saturday at 08:00 PM by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

know this is very difficult and counter-intuitive to see about a small country that our brain interpret in a homogenous way, but Israel is diverse enough in a similar way in which America is, and include couple of totally differemt societies and sectors, and particulary about the war and in present days, Israel is divided to two opposing societies.

Yes but in your case it's different because you are in war. The war in Israel will continue. It is impossible for the Palestinians to surrender, and killing them will undermine Israel's morale. Little by little, the reality that Israel is evil will sink in. This is the war that Hamas proposes, one that should make Israel feel disgusted with itself and that the world should feel disgusted with Israel. It is an extremely complex situation, and it seems that Israel is handling it very badly.

https://x.com/ncole_r/status/1905866776333754634?t=K_d2mgy7dEEZbaVN7HQzwA&s=09

This people is not going to surrender, they are fanatics, Israel is giving them happiness and the opportunity of going directly to paradise. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Serious question for those who know a thing or two about military tactics, maybe Israeli people here who have done mandatory IDF service.

But are the Hamas Yassin RPG's actually effective against IDF Merkava tanks?

Because Hamas keeps publishing these GoPro footages where they hit tanks with RPG rounds. But does that actually do anything? Tanks are really heavily fortified, and Hamas rarely shows the aftermath of vehicles they hit. 

Do these RPGs actually decommission tanks? Or is it just for show?

 

Edited Saturday at 11:07 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Lila9]

@Raze and @zazen

I hope that the humanitarian crisis in Gaza will end soon. I truly mean it.

I gain nothing from starved children or innocents, believe me. This is a tragedy and I hope that this was not the case. 

The IDF is made up of all sorts of people: conservative, liberal, religious, secular, Jewish, Muslim, and Christian.
Their opinions vary, their ideologies vary, and they are all very different people.
What they have in common is that they live in Israel. They know they want and need to defend it because their entire life is in Israel. Considering that Israel is surrounded by Islamic radicals, this is a valid and realistic goal.

Are they sadists who want to sadistically starve Palestinians? Hell no.
In fact, the majority of Israelis are conflicted. On one hand, they want to weaken Hamas and similar groups because they pose a direct threat to life. You need to understand that Israel is a small country, and a terror attack like the one on October 7 is a huge trauma that revives old fears of the Holocaust. People in Israel learn about the Holocaust from a very young age.

The first long book I read as a child was about the Holocaust at the first or the second grade. This is deeply ingrained in Israel's consciousness we always thought that we should never allow such a thing to happen again.

In the beginning, Holocaust survivors were criticized by local Jews when they immigrated to Israel for not resisting Hitler and allowing themselves to be killed. So when we said "never again," we truly meant it.

And now that there is a country, and we are strong, this shouldn't happen.

But when "never again" turns into "again," despite everything, it brings up all sorts of emotions, fear and the collective feeling that the ground has disappeared from under our feet.

Thousands of people in such a small population is a lot.

And behind every person who has been murdered, there is a family, friends, and colleagues who are deeply traumatized. If we count all the IDF combatants who have been killed in the fight, their families and friends, and all the people who have lost loved ones in terror attacks or have survived such attacks, it turns out that every Israeli is traumatized to some extent.

So, it is natural to be angry and want to eliminate Hamas and similar entities.

And it is also natural for extremists like Ben Gvir and radical right-wingers to become more dominant.

On the other hand, the very vast majority of Israelis don’t want to harm innocent people. They are not sadists, and there is no celebration of death. There is a deep value placed on life. The vibe is that we all just want to be left alone and want all the best for Palestinians. I have heard it from all sorts of people in Israel so many times. 

Israel does what it believes is effective in pressuring Hamas to release the hostages. This is part of its war strategy. Whether this is moral or not, or whether there are alternative solutions, is arguable. Do I personally promote it? No.

But am I expert in war strategies to tell what should be done or not? No.

There is a moral dilemma. In an ideal world, every problem would have a solution.

But in reality, people and countries must face moral dilemmas.

Sometimes the only way to fight immorality is by immorality. 

For now, it seems to be working because Hamas is now interested in negotiation.

The pressure seems to be effective.

I have read that Hamas is considering the "Hudna," a well-known Muslim strategy pretending to surrender to gain momentum and then launching a surprise attack again. But this time, I hope Israel’s authorities will be smarter, will not fall for illusions, and will no longer believe Hamas’s deception.

And that the voice of those who oppose Hamas, in Gaza, will get stronger and stronger and that he rest of the world will be there to support them. Including the Arab world. 

 

[Lila9]

On 3/28/2025 at 7:34 AM, Twentyfirst said:

The same UN that created Israel just a handful of decades ago?

Yes, but if Israel’s existence today depended on the UN it would have never been allowed.

What indicates that the UN is changing.......... like everything else in the world?

[gambler]

9 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

@Raze and @zazen

I hope that the humanitarian crisis in Gaza will end soon. I truly mean it.

I gain nothing from starved children or innocents, believe me. This is a tragedy and I hope that this was not the case. 

The IDF is made up of all sorts of people: conservative, liberal, religious, secular, Jewish, Muslim, and Christian.
Their opinions vary, their ideologies vary, and they are all very different people.
What they have in common is that they live in Israel. They know they want and need to defend it because their entire life is in Israel. Considering that Israel is surrounded by Islamic radicals, this is a valid and realistic goal.

Are they sadists who want to sadistically starve Palestinians? Hell no.
In fact, the majority of Israelis are conflicted. On one hand, they want to weaken Hamas and similar groups because they pose a direct threat to life. You need to understand that Israel is a small country, and a terror attack like the one on October 7 is a huge trauma that revives old fears of the Holocaust. People in Israel learn about the Holocaust from a very young age.

The first long book I read as a child was about the Holocaust at the first or the second grade. This is deeply ingrained in Israel's consciousness we always thought that we should never allow such a thing to happen again.

In the beginning, Holocaust survivors were criticized by local Jews when they immigrated to Israel for not resisting Hitler and allowing themselves to be killed. So when we said "never again," we truly meant it.

And now that there is a country, and we are strong, this shouldn't happen.

But when "never again" turns into "again," despite everything, it brings up all sorts of emotions, fear and the collective feeling that the ground has disappeared from under our feet.

Thousands of people in such a small population is a lot.

And behind every person who has been murdered, there is a family, friends, and colleagues who are deeply traumatized. If we count all the IDF combatants who have been killed in the fight, their families and friends, and all the people who have lost loved ones in terror attacks or have survived such attacks, it turns out that every Israeli is traumatized to some extent.

So, it is natural to be angry and want to eliminate Hamas and similar entities.

And it is also natural for extremists like Ben Gvir and radical right-wingers to become more dominant.

On the other hand, the very vast majority of Israelis don’t want to harm innocent people. They are not sadists, and there is no celebration of death. There is a deep value placed on life. The vibe is that we all just want to be left alone and want all the best for Palestinians. I have heard it from all sorts of people in Israel so many times. 

Israel does what it believes is effective in pressuring Hamas to release the hostages. This is part of its war strategy. Whether this is moral or not, or whether there are alternative solutions, is arguable. Do I personally promote it? No.

But am I expert in war strategies to tell what should be done or not? No.

There is a moral dilemma. In an ideal world, every problem would have a solution.

But in reality, people and countries must face moral dilemmas.

Sometimes the only way to fight immorality is by immorality. 

For now, it seems to be working because Hamas is now interested in negotiation.

The pressure seems to be effective.

I have read that Hamas is considering the "Hudna," a well-known Muslim strategy pretending to surrender to gain momentum and then launching a surprise attack again. But this time, I hope Israel’s authorities will be smarter, will not fall for illusions, and will no longer believe Hamas’s deception.

And that the voice of those who oppose Hamas, in Gaza, will get stronger and stronger and that he rest of the world will be there to support them. Including the Arab world. 

 

Such bullshit. How do you have the balls to write this crap?

[Lila9]

Just now, gambler said:

Such bullshit. How do you have the balls to write this crap?

If you don't have something constructive to write then don't. 

[gambler]

9 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

If you don't have something constructive to write then don't. 

Tell me more about how the UN is secretly infiltrated by white supremacists and therefore biased against Israel, but conveniently enough, are a credible source when it comes to the war and humanitarian crimes that America, Britain, etc. have committed in the Middle East. Just incredible.

To the ignored list you go.

Edited Saturday at 11:44 PM by gambler

[Lila9]

14 minutes ago, gambler said:

Tell me more about how the UN is secretly infiltrated by white supremacists and therefore biased against Israel, but conveniently enough, are a credible source when it comes to the war and humanitarian crimes that America, Britain, etc. have committed in the Middle East. Just incredible.

It has a Stage Green bias and sees the world through Stage Green lenses.

It has a savior complex, much like many toxic Stage Green activists.

People or entities with a savior complex secretly believe they are better than the victims they claim to help (I.e, they think that they are better because they are Western and white).

They need the victim to feel superior and good about themselves and secretly wish for the victim to remain in a victimized state so they can continue being saviors forever. They loathe the victim and do everything to keep them in a state of victimhood. They don't really care about actually "saving". 

This all may happen unconsciously. 

UN is helping to so many poor continues for decades but nothing significant changes. This tells a lot. 

Edited Saturday at 11:55 PM by Lila9

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

 

UN is helping to so many poor continues for decades but nothing significant changes. This tells a lot. 

Not really no. Red cross is also always helping but there are always new crisis arising because of idiot countries attacking others and trying to genocide them or whatever.

[PurpleTree]

A hospital is also always operating.

[Lila9]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Not really no. Red cross is also always helping but there are always new crisis arising because of idiot countries attacking others and trying to genocide them or whatever.

They are so "great" that they refuse to help to hostages in captivity because they happen to be from a certain country. 

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

A hospital is also always operating.

Why UNRWA allow terrorists to hide their weapons in their hospitals and other facilities like schools?

Don't they afraid that children will play with it or something? Why they turn a blind eye on it? 

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Serious question for those who know a thing or two about military tactics, maybe Israeli people here who have done mandatory IDF service.

But are the Hamas Yassin RPG's actually effective against IDF Merkava tanks?

Because Hamas keeps publishing these GoPro footages where they hit tanks with RPG rounds. But does that actually do anything? Tanks are really heavily fortified, and Hamas rarely shows the aftermath of vehicles they hit. 

Do these RPGs actually decommission tanks? Or is it just for show?

Not at all. This is just for a show.

[Leo Gura]

@Lila9 Israel is egregiously wrong.

Stop with the rationalizations.

Edited Sunday at 12:30 AM by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Do you guys think that the casualty numbers the IDF is releasing are accurate? I mean the IDF counting their own losses.

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, but if Israel’s existence today depended on the UN it would have never been allowed.

What indicates that the UN is changing.......... like everything else in the world?

You think Israel has a right to exist on someone else's property? Why not just exist on land that doesn't belong to anyone? Which makes more sense?

The only thing that the UN needs to change is not allowing veto against Palestinian statehood

 

[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Lila9 Israel is egregiously wrong.

This is perfectly obvious if you not a Zionist.

I understand.
I don't define myself with labels like Zionist because it is a vague and too general definition.
I am an individual.
I don't see the point in demonizing one side while ignoring the flaws of the other and seeing how their actions affect each other.

If only demonizing Israel/Zionism is acceptable and any other criticism is not allowed, then there is no point in me even posting here because I would be interfering with this echo chamber. I have already did. 

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I understand.
I don't define myself with labels like Zionist because it is a vague and too general definition.
I am an individual.
I don't see the point in demonizing one side while ignoring the flaws of the other and seeing how their actions affect each other.

If only demonizing Israel/Zionism is acceptable and any other criticism is not allowed, then there is no point in me even posting here because I would be interfering with this echo chamber. I have already did. 

Zionism isn't a vague word

Zionism is to build a Jewish state on Palestinian land to protect Jews from westerners/to ethnically cleanse Jews from Europe 

Edited Sunday at 01:17 AM by Twentyfirst