Israel / Palestine News Thread

[hundreth]

39 minutes ago, royce said:

why they used south lebanon ? they came from mars and located in south lebanon ? no they pushed back from their lands 

Your oversimplification of things aside, doesn't have to do with my point - which is that there is a characterization of Hezbollah as some kind of defensive force against Israeli expansion, when Israel never has had any expansionist goals around Lebanon. 

[royce]

 

[Nivsch]

Israeli journalists tree 🌲🇮🇱

Edited September 24 by Nivsch

[Raze]

 

Edited September 24 by Raze

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, royce said:

he is in a shelter now , leave him alone 

I live in the center but Hezbollah shoot to Haifa and northward. We have a security cube in our garden but it is clastrophobic and only stressing so I can walk to a normal shelter at the end of the street. Hezbollah gives us 3-4 minutes to walk it is very calm in relation to hamas that gave us only 1:30.

Edited September 24 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

@Nivsch is it really true that everyone in israel is dreaming of migrating abroad ??

With our current government I don't blame them 🙃

[royce]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I live in the center but Hezbollah shoot to Haifa and northward. We have a security cube in our garden but it is clastrophobic and only stressing so I can walk to a normal shelter at the end of the street. Hezbollah gives us 3-4 minutes to walk it is very calm in relation to hamas that gave us only 1:30.

you little victim  , i like you

Edited September 24 by royce

[Nivsch]

@royce I will take it as you wanted to compliment in your special way (;

Edited September 24 by Nivsch

[royce]

Netanyahu... Troubled Choices!

A year after a furious war, he still believes he can displace the residents of Gaza, and expects others to believe him! Displacement was his first option, and he rallied support for it, but he failed. The Palestinians held onto their land, supported by their Arab brothers, and now he seems cornered. The Gaza war has turned into a quagmire, the northern front won't be a walk in the park, and in the West Bank, the ground is heating up under the feet of his army. Wherever he turns, he finds isolation and anger. He is left with nothing but troubled choices, leading him toward an abyss and pushing his state into an existential crisis.

Those who supported Netanyahu in his war realize that he lacks a real strategy and is driven more by a desire for revenge. His defeat in October 2023 left him in a state of delirium and confusion, with his decisions appearing to be a form of suicide. His internal problems are growing, his external crises are becoming more entrenched, and he is swinging between the two without finding a solution, even as the West continues to support him. This has left the ruling system of the state in a state of chaos and disarray.

Netanyahu's retreat now would be a defeat, his stagnation a fall, and his advance without a vision is a mixture of madness and suicide. Despite the crimes he continues to commit, he has lost his ability to make decisive moves, and Washington can no longer tolerate his actions, his plans, or his struggles. We are heading towards a series of rolling battles, and those who rush to ignite them will be the first to burn in their fire.

[Nemra]

@royce, you give an "every Jew is a Zionist" vibe.

Edited September 24 by Nemra

[PurpleTree]

29 minutes ago, royce said:

Netanyahu... Troubled Choices!

A year after a furious war, he still believes he can displace the residents of Gaza, and expects others to believe him! Displacement was his first option, and he rallied support for it, but he failed. The Palestinians held onto their land, supported by their Arab brothers, and now he seems cornered. The Gaza war has turned into a quagmire, the northern front won't be a walk in the park, and in the West Bank, the ground is heating up under the feet of his army. Wherever he turns, he finds isolation and anger. He is left with nothing but troubled choices, leading him toward an abyss and pushing his state into an existential crisis.

Those who supported Netanyahu in his war realize that he lacks a real strategy and is driven more by a desire for revenge. His defeat in October 2023 left him in a state of delirium and confusion, with his decisions appearing to be a form of suicide. His internal problems are growing, his external crises are becoming more entrenched, and he is swinging between the two without finding a solution, even as the West continues to support him. This has left the ruling system of the state in a state of chaos and disarray.

Netanyahu's retreat now would be a defeat, his stagnation a fall, and his advance without a vision is a mixture of madness and suicide. Despite the crimes he continues to commit, he has lost his ability to make decisive moves, and Washington can no longer tolerate his actions, his plans, or his struggles. We are heading towards a series of rolling battles, and those who rush to ignite them will be the first to burn in their fire.

This guy seems to be dragging everybody down with him, such a liability for the US and Europe.

Israel probably does need a strong leader of sorts because of enemies. But not this guy 

[Leo Gura]

These fundamentalist Zionists are land-horny lunatics:

Imagine these vultures influencing military policy.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

@Leo Gura

https://rumble.com/v5g2qmb-system-update-show-339.html?start=4154

Norman Finkelstein seems to believe we are headed to war with Iran, do you think this analysis has merit?

 

Edited September 25 by Raze

[Staples]

Bernie once again being awesome.

[Raze]

interesting: Jewish political scientist Peter Beinart thinks even if Hamas is destroyed Israel won’t be safer

https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/even-destroying-hamas-wont-make-israel

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Raze said:

@Leo Gura

https://rumble.com/v5g2qmb-system-update-show-339.html?start=4154

Norman Finkelstein seems to believe we are headed to war with Iran, do you think this analysis has merit?

I don't know.

War with Iran is a very big step which I think the US intelligence agencies know is a wrong move. I don't think CIA wants a war with Iran. I don't think Kamala would approve a war with Iran.

And I doubt even the Israeli population will stand for it.

A war with Iran would not make anyone better off. There would be no winners. So I'm not too worried about it.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know.

War with Iran is a very big step which I think the US intelligence agencies know is a wrong move. I don't think CIA wants a war with Iran. I don't think Kamala would approve a war with Iran.

And I doubt even the Israeli population will stand for it.

A war with Iran would not make anyone better off. There would be no winners. So I'm not too worried about it.

But Israel chose to strike the Iranian general in their embassy and assassinate the hamas political leader in Tehran, if Iran is provoked into attacking Israel then Israel will simply have all the politicians they influence vote for war approval.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Raze said:

But Israel chose to strike the Iranian general in their embassy and assassinate the hamas political leader in Tehran, if Iran is provoked into attacking Israel then Israel will simply have all the politicians they influence vote for war approval.

Israel could hatch a scheme to provoke Iran into war and then scream self-defense.

But I think the US would pressure Israel against that. Unless maybe Trump is in power, then all bets are off.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Ero]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Israel could hatch a scheme to provoke Iran into war and then scream self-defense.

But I think the US would pressure Israel against that. Unless maybe Trump is power, then all bets are off.

That’s a fair assessment.
Iran’s entire foreign policy is proxy wars through extremist organisations, they don’t want the smoke with Israel and the US. This is why they warned in advance (through covert channels) about their retaliation.

Israel, however, is an unstable factor in the equation and I believe the US’ terms of support is largely what is going to dictate the escalation or lack thereof.
 

Let’s hope Trump never steps in office again.

[MarkKol]

I just realized how perfect 911 was, they attacked the most populous state, and the two biggest buildings in Manhattan. Impressive.

I wonder what the next attack will be, there probably will be some. Maybe after the war calms down or after a ceasefire.

But still, It's hard to beat the scale of 911, it wouldn't be as big if they attacked Tennessee in the same way.