Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

@gambler Seems you again extrapolate my messages towards imaginary directions your mind is inventing.

If you want to do a discussion without personal attacks you are invited to.

[gambler]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@gambler Seems you again extrapolate my messages towards imaginary directions your mind is inventing.

If you want to do a discussion without personal attacks you are invited to.

How about you stop saying nothing burgers and directly respond to the hypotheticals? What are you afraid of? Being exposed for being inconsistent?

The way you operate is disgusting that it's not appropriate anymore to treat you with kiddie gloves on. You've been absolutely shameless throughout this entire conflict.

Edited Friday at 11:18 PM by gambler

[Nivsch]

The way you generalize some Israeli religious or right wing sectors or the Israeli government onto 'Israel' is also unacceptable to me, but I try to relate to the content and not to attack you personally and make false assumptions about you, because it would not be fair to do. The choice is yours.

Edited yesterday at 10:17 AM by Nivsch

[gambler]

Incredible.

[Nivsch]

11 hours ago, Raze said:

It didn’t start now. It’s been happening for decades.

Really you should go and talk to Palestinians living there for yourself. Maybe they’ll say you’re right.

Expelling Palestinians from A or B weren't common I don't accept this. They have happened sometimes yes, but you have to understand the context of terror attacks on Israelis that lead to this event. 

You can't talk about IDF operations in the West Bank without taking into account the security concerns of the Israelis because both are intertwined all the time.

With that being said, again, the fair solution is only a Two State solution but the conditions to such solution right now are far from ripe.

Edited yesterday at 10:18 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

38 minutes ago, gambler said:

and everything being done is to one day annex the entire area into a non-Jewish ethno state.

The Right wing policy is indeed very bad and unfair.

Edited Friday at 11:46 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

21 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Expelling Palestinians from A or B weren't common I don't accept this. They have happened sometimes yes, but you have to understand the context of terror attacks on Israelis the lead to this event. 

You can't talk about IDF operations in the West Bank without taking into account the security concerns of the Israelis because both are intertwined all the time.

With that being said, again, the fair solution is only a Two State solution but the conditions to such solution right now are far from ripe.

They face constant house demolitions, waiting hours at checkpoints to the point where roadside births are recorded. The terror attacks were in the context of a endless occupation and illegal settlement expansion. 

This is what the former head of Shin Bet said:

It isn’t for security purposes to purposefully make it more and more unlivable and insert more and more settlements. 

Were jews resisting nazi occupation committing terror attacks that justified continued clamping down on their ability to live? 

Edited Friday at 11:58 PM by Raze

[Nivsch]

@Raze Nazism is a totally another league in another universe I don't agree with those kind of comparisons.

Edited yesterday at 12:07 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

@Raze This is a loop because every terror attack makes IDF more aggressive to ensure defense what worsen Palestinian conditions and increases terror. The Right wing takes advantage on every such cycle and uses it as an excuse and justification for its policy.

Edited yesterday at 12:13 AM by Nivsch

[Raze]

7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze Nazism is a totally another league in another universe I don't agree with those kind of comparisons.

I was referring to the occupation, not the holocaust.

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze This is a loop because every terror attack makes IDF more aggressive to ensure defense what worsen Palestinian conditions and increases terror. The Right wing takes advantage on every such cycle and uses it as an excuse and justification for its policy.

Prior to the first intifada the population was passive, yet still there was constant abuse, then they reacted in the first intifada.

These are the casualties by year. Palestinians overall began non violently, Israel clamped down extremely violently.

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/first_intifada_tables

Now the PA has given up armed resistance, something Nelson Mandela and the South Africans never agreed to, and Israel has let settlers and idf kill hundreds. But when they try to resist at all, according to you it’s a terror attack and now it’s Palestinians fault that israel will kill more and expel tens of thousands.

Basically Israel gives them two choices, get killed slowly or fight back and get killed faster, either way somehow it is their fault.

 

[Nivsch]

7 minutes ago, Raze said:

I was referring to the occupation, not the holocaust.

The more terror that happens, the more IDF operations will needed and the more it fuels the extreme views and the emotions of revenge what will worsen the situation to everyone.

The more IDF operations the more terror too.

Edited yesterday at 12:22 AM by Nivsch

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The more terror that happens, the more IDF operations will needed and the more it fuels the extreme views and the emotions of revenge what will worsen the situation to everyone.

The more IDF operations the more terror too.

And the occupier will always have more responsibility and obligation to change than the occupied. 

[Nivsch]

23 minutes ago, Raze said:

Prior to the first intifada the population was passive

Can you add me a source for that? I am not familiar enough in the dynamics right after the Six days war.

Edited yesterday at 12:42 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

35 minutes ago, Raze said:

And the occupier will always have more responsibility and obligation to change than the occupied. 

I can understand this. This is one thing.

Take into account also that if you zoom out to the macro middle eastern scale you will see why Israel had reasons to be paranoid and overcompensate on this.

The aggression of IDF has an origin of legitimate survival impulses, even if this behaviour creates new problems of course.

Notice the difficulty to defend such a narrow corridor which was central Israel before 1967.

What doesnt mean Israel has to conquer the whole West Bank, but at least the most Western strip (even 10%) of this mountainy area might be important to settle.

I wrote my position in more details here:

 

Edited yesterday at 01:01 AM by Nivsch

[royce]

Israel carried out a massacre against displaced families in shelter 

 

https://x.com/tamerqdh/status/1907883278528323852

[Raze]

 

Footage of the killing of 15 aid workers was retrieved from a victims cellphone.

It contradicts Israel’s claims that they had unmarked vehicles. Israel also falsely claimed there was an evacuation order for the area.

They haven’t explained why the bodies and ambulance were put in a mass grave nor provided evidence there was a militant present. 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2z103nqxo
 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Raze

[gambler]

Terrorist act from a terrorist state.

More Israeli lies to put in the Israel deception thread.

Obviously the ambulances, fire truck and U.N. car was put in the grave to cover it up

Next, it's going to do damage control with the lie that it was a mistake and regrettable. Ahaha..

Edited 19 hours ago by gambler

[Twentyfirst]

Zionism needs to go and Israelis need to accept minority position as guests on the land. I think it will inevitably happen