Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Lyubov]

Why the fuck is the USA still writing checks to Israel

[PurpleTree]

23 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Why the fuck is the USA still writing checks to Israel

The US right now is putting tariffs on all „allies“ saying they are grifting or whatever except…… Israel.

[Twentyfirst]

43 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Why the fuck is the USA still writing checks to Israel

Because the USA was founded off genocide off an indigenous population and still treat the Native Americans as second class citizens to this day. They love this kind of stuff

[Raze]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

The US right now is putting tariffs on all „allies“ saying they are grifting or whatever except…… Israel.

They did put some tariffs on Israel 

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Why the fuck is the USA still writing checks to Israel

 

 

Edited Friday at 07:12 PM by Raze

[Raze]

3 hours ago, hundreth said:

Any way you spin it, you cannot avoid how catastrophic the end result has been for the Palestinians. Ousting Netanyahu could have only been beneficial for them.

But you probably don't care about incremental wins, as anything that harms Israel must be for the greater good even if it harms Palestinians even worse.

The Palestinians really gained nothing from this. The Hamas lose lose strategy. 

That remains to be seen. Netanyahu and Israel’s actions have lost Israel’s support among civil society, this could lead to major changes in the future.

 

[Nivsch]

@Raze What do you mean by civil society?

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze What do you mean by civil society?

I mean popular opinion. 

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

It was keeping millions of people under a brutal occupation

There is no argument that the situation is distorted and unhealthy and in friction zones, there is an oppressive policy and actions.

Nevertheless in most of the West Bank surface area Palestinians still live a decently independent and relatively free lives, though not entirely due to the checkpoints between major areas.

Do you think minorities in other neighboring countries do better? Mostly worse.

Although this is true that Israel as a democracy is expected to behave better, and that Palestinians deserve a real independent state, but exaggerations won't help advance the discussion anywhere.

Edited Friday at 09:34 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

44 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Nevertheless in most of the West Bank surface area Palestinians still live a decently independent and relatively free lives, though not entirely due to the checkpoints between major areas.

Do you think minorities in other neighboring countries do better? Mostly worse.

How do you know that? 

[gambler]

30 minutes ago, Raze said:

How do you know that? 

No he's right, Egyptian Copts, Lebanese Christians, Jordanian Christians, are going through the same amount of military occupation, movement restrictions, land stealing, settlement expansion, and military checkpoints as Palestinians. Imagine if the army of Cyprus took over mainland Israel and did the same thing to naturalized Israelis in their own land. Pushing them into spread out mini-Gazas, making them into refugees, bringing over Cypriots to steal their land, restricting and controlling their entire lives. That would be brutal and nothing short of it.

By the way, this guy is the last person to talk about exaggerations. He lied deliberately over and over again through this entire conflict that Israel's survival is on the line while he knew there was no threat to its survival.

This guy larps as Stage Yellow, but he's stage Blue.
He's no better than Ann Coulter.
This guy has a bias against Arabs and can't see them as real people. If you flip the situations around, he would not be consistent in his posting. He would not be saying the same thing. He would say these are brutal programs designed to destroy the Jews.
He and every single Jewish poster here do not help the stereotypes about them, they unconsciously (or consciously) perpetuate them.

Edited Friday at 10:36 PM by gambler

[Nivsch]

43 minutes ago, Raze said:

How do you know that? 

My impression is based on division of the West Bank into Areas A, B, and C. In Area A which is under full Palestinian Authority control Palestinians live with more autonomy and less direct Israeli military presence, although the Israeli army can conduct limited operations targeting terrorists who have murdered Israelis, as was the case after the terror attack in Jaffa a couple of months ago (though I don’t know at this point in which area he lived).

Area B is more complicated, with Palestinian civil control but occasional Israeli military presence. This limits full freedom, but still allows for relatively independent daily life in many places, due to the Palestinian civil control, which seems quite logical to me.

Edited Friday at 10:49 PM by Nivsch

[gambler]

We just need an Arab army to carve up mainland Israel into the same type of area divisions, doing the exact same thing done to the Palestinians, and let's see how quick the Jews here change their tune. 

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

My impression is based on division of the West Bank into Areas A, B, and C. In Area A which is under full Palestinian Authority control Palestinians live with more autonomy and less direct Israeli military presence, though Israeli army can do limited operations that targeted terrorists who have murdered Israelis for example after the terror attack in Jaffa couple of months ago (although I don't know for now in which area he lived).

Area B is more complicated, with Palestinian civil control but Israeli military control, which limits full freedom but still allows for relatively independent daily life in many places, due to the Palestinian civil control which is quite logical to my opinion.

They’ve displaced 40,000 from Area A which they are invading.

Go talk to Palestinians living in the West Bank and find out for yourself instead of assuming things based on a map. I believe groups like breaking the silence do tours. 

Edited Friday at 10:47 PM by Raze

[gambler]

Just now, Raze said:

They’ve displaced 40,000 from Area A which they are invading.

Go talk to Palestinians living in the West Bank and find out for yourself. 

Let's expel him and call his suffering an exaggeration instead.

[Nivsch]

28 minutes ago, gambler said:

This guy has a bias against Arabs and can't see them as real people.

You really have assumptions and projections on me that I have never said or thought and not even close.

[gambler]

Just now, Nivsch said:

You really have assumptions and projections on me that I have never said or thought and not even close.

Actions speak louder than words.

[Nivsch]

@Raze Yeah our current government is just recently really "burning bridges" in that sense though it wasn't the case regulary.

No doubt, this government is the worst both Israelis and Palestinians have suffered under in recent times. If you see the inner cold war inside Israel you will get a clue to the corruption of this government what necessarily radiates also externally.

Edited Friday at 11:07 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze Yeah our current government is just recently really "burning bridges" in that sense but it wasn't the case regulary.

It didn’t start now. It’s been happening for decades.

Really you should go and talk to Palestinians living there for yourself. Maybe they’ll say you’re right.

Edited Friday at 11:06 PM by Raze

[gambler]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze Yeah our current government is just recently really "burning bridges" in that sense but it wasn't the case regulary.

Prime example of hating Arabs right here.

Imagine if the same was done to Jews, pushing mainland Israelis into spread out mini-Gazas, making them into refugees, bringing over non-Jews to steal their land, restricting and controlling their entire lives, and everything being done is to one day annex the entire area into a non-Jewish ethno state. But I say, hey, look, the average Jew is living his day to day life decently independent and relatively free lives, it's just the case now that we are really burning bridges. You'd spit in my face.