Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea but as a whole it’s committing the G word. 

I didn't understand. The government is the one in control.

Edited Thursday at 04:33 PM by Nivsch

[Lila9]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean you say the UN is so evil and devilish, highlighting their evilness (guys can’t keep their d’s in their pants) and so on. But with Israel you do the opposite.

No, I already talked about what I think of Bibi, Jewish terrorism and Ben Gvir alike folks. 

[Lila9]

10 minutes ago, zazen said:

Isn't the fact that Palestinians are protesting against Hamas, proof that they aren't complicit in October 7th and therefore shouldn't be collectively punished via starvation? Therefore the country doing this is a terrorist state?

Why Hamas steals humanitarian aid from civilians?

[zazen]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

Why Hamas steals humanitarian aid from civilians?

So if they are that evil, how can we expect Palestinians to overthrow them? And how does it make it okay to collectively punish / pressure the population via starvation..

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

No, I already talked about what I think of Bibi, Jewish terrorism and Ben Gvir alike folks. 

What about the IDF?

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, zazen said:

So if they are that evil, how can we expect Palestinians to overthrow them? And how does it make it okay to collectively punish / pressure the population via starvation..

There is a lot of humanitarian aid entering Gaza, but you have to acknowledge that it is immediately taken by Hamas for their use, and the rest is sold to civilians at high prices.

According to the testimonies of released hostages, their captors had grand meals and celebrations with the humanitarian aid.

[Lila9]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What about the IDF?

Based on my experience, this is a male biased and patriarchal system and it is less easy for women there.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Based on my experience, this is a male biased and patriarchal system and it is less easy for women there.

They commit crimes against humanity?

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

They commit crimes against humanity?

Of course. And not only against humanity. Wars have never been otherwise. 

[Raze]

25 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

There is a lot of humanitarian aid entering Gaza, but you have to acknowledge that it is immediately taken by Hamas for their use, and the rest is sold to civilians at high prices.

According to the testimonies of released hostages, their captors had grand meals and celebrations with the humanitarian aid.

There is no aid entering Israel has now blocked it.

Israeli media itself reported the idf was letting it be taken by thieves.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-11/ty-article/.premium/the-idf-is-allowing-gaza-gangs-to-loot-aid-trucks-and-extort-protection-fees-from-drivers/00000193-17fb-d50e-a3db-57ff16af0000

[Lila9]

13 minutes ago, Raze said:

There is no aid entering Israel has now blocked it.

Israeli media itself reported the idf was letting it be taken by thieves.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-11/ty-article/.premium/the-idf-is-allowing-gaza-gangs-to-loot-aid-trucks-and-extort-protection-fees-from-drivers/00000193-17fb-d50e-a3db-57ff16af0000

It says that IDF "refraining from action due to concerns that harm to aid workers could provoke international criticism".

 

[Nivsch]

Tel Aviv is a one giant traffic jam because of the protest so I decided to stay and join today.

Edited Thursday at 06:02 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

It says that IDF "refraining from action due to concerns that harm to aid workers could provoke international criticism".

 

So now they’re trying to starve 1.9 million people, half of whom are children, including blocking medicine for the hundreds of thousands with serious wounds forcing doctors to amputate limbs off children without anesthesia. This is supported by the overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews according to polling data. 

Edited Thursday at 07:01 PM by Raze

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

There is a lot of humanitarian aid entering Gaza, but you have to acknowledge that it is immediately taken by Hamas for their use, and the rest is sold to civilians at high prices.

According to the testimonies of released hostages, their captors had grand meals and celebrations with the humanitarian aid.

A hostage also said every time aid was limited they felt it and would sometimes go days without food. It’s an example of the sadistic nature of Zionism that even the protestors for the hostages don’t protest against the starvation tactics, endorsing the starvation of said hostages for the larger goal of starving hundreds of thousands of children.

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

They commit crimes against humanity?

The IDF is a mandatory service for all Israeli citizens and therefore reflects the diversity of Israeli society. However, it is an arm of the elected government and must carry out the orders it receives from it. Technically, soldiers can refuse orders that contradict their moral compass and may face a legal process, but others will replace them. Given that the current government is exceptionally corrupt, this will also be reflected in the field.

Edited Thursday at 11:26 PM by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

13 hours ago, Lila9 said:

The UN has its biases and agenda as well. Even the UN is not developed enough to be a truly unbiased, uncorrupted, truthful, and wise source of information.

Aside from some UN employees participated in the October 7 attacks, whether directly or indirectly, UN peacekeepers literally can't keep their dicks in their pants, especially around children from vulnerable places, but women as well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers

In my opinion, they are actually white supremacists and racists, but covert. disguised under the guise of progressivism and wokeness.

The same UN that created Israel just a handful of decades ago?

[zazen]

On 27/03/2025 at 4:47 PM, Lila9 said:

There is a lot of humanitarian aid entering Gaza, but you have to acknowledge that it is immediately taken by Hamas for their use, and the rest is sold to civilians at high prices.

According to the testimonies of released hostages, their captors had grand meals and celebrations with the humanitarian aid.

I can acknowledge the possibility of that, including that Hamas can be savage. But can you acknowledge that it isn’t right to collectively punish Gazans then?

If some people including your family, are held hostage in a house by crazy people, does that make it okay to switch off the heating to that house in winter so they can all freeze? Just because you want the crazy kidnappers to freeze also..

The hope is that at least some of the aid is getting to the people, including the hostages the whole of Israel protests over.  How else would they be surviving all these months otherwise.. the look of Palestinian detainees is starkly different to the Israeli hostages - which means they are at least getting something.

Also those hostages are a bargaining chip for Hamas, they have the incentive to keep them alive.

[eos_nyxia]

I was never too into his comedy, but I guess Bill Burr has evolved to become the voice of reason now, lol.

All of the bleeting about "human shields" and Israelis shamelessly and unselfconsciously trying to pass off that logic as Logic with a capital L broke my brain post October 7th. It very much has the energy of:

 

[Breakingthewall]

@Nivsch what do you think about this video? There are lies in it? I don't mean about the comparison between holocaust and gaza, but about the statistics, the people who watch the bombing with the kids, etc 

 

[Nivsch]

@Breakingthewall The new page pushed it backward so I copied my comment to you to there.

Edited Saturday at 07:51 PM by Nivsch