Israel / Palestine News Thread

[PurpleTree]

22 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It does not mention that the protest is specifically against Hamas or that Hamas was shooting at the protesters.

In reality, they were protesting against Hamas, and Hamas was shooting at them too.

Al Jazeera has a clear pro-Hamas bias. What is so difficult to acknowledge? They never dare to say anything negative about Hamas, ever.

Isn't it suspicious?

Al Jazeera also never says negative things about Qatar their home country. Which is weak and one sided.

Yet a lot of US news don’t criticise Israel and Bibi.

Edited Thursday at 11:27 AM by PurpleTree

[Lila9]

20 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Fatah is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority and the party of President Mahmoud Abbas, but in Gaza, it has been significantly weakened, mismanaged, and marginalized since Hamas won elections in 2007. While some Palestinians do oppose Hamas - evidenced by protests like the one mentioned - there is no strong, organized liberal opposition within Gaza. Given the ongoing war and the lack of alternatives, it seems that a majority of the population either supports Hamas or sees them as the only viable resistance against Israel. In contrast to Israel, where internal political opposition still exists despite democratic backsliding, sadly Gaza is effectively trapped between Hamas’s authoritarian rule and Israel’s military policies.

The opposition to Hamas is still weak, with only a few hundred openly opposing them in the largest protest since October 7...

However, as the war continues, more voices will emerge, tired of the conflict and angry at Hamas for leading them into this tragedy.

They call for Hamas's downfall, with the slogan "Bidna Na3eesh" meaning "We want to live"

Pro-Palestinian supporters should back these voices, as should every conscious person.

Sadly, many are blinded by Hamas's ideology, believing terrorism against Israel is the only way to "liberate Palestine," even though innocent Gazans will suffer as a result.

They sacrifice Gazans' lives to advance their ideology and justify terror attacks on Israel.

When Israel responds, they feign concern for the casualties, but in reality, they care more about the ideology than the actual lives of Palestinians. They ignore the fact that Hamas hides among civilians in places like hospitals and schools and don't criticize it, despite claiming to care for innocents.

These individuals are happy when Gazans die in Israel’s response, as it allows them to blame Israel and America, reinforcing their ideology.

But when innocents are killed by Hamas or other Arabs, they remain indifferent.

Pro-Palestinians support violent resistance from the comfort of their homes, far from Gaza or the West Bank, willing to sacrifice Palestinians for their cause.

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[Lila9]

20 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Al Jazeera also never says negative things about Qatar their home country. Which is weak and one sided.

Yet a lot of US news don’t criticise Israel and Bibi.

This is the nature of news and media, being biased and presenting reality in a way that confirms their bias and political agenda, often by omitting important details or avoiding necessary critique.

Some people don't realize it.

Yes absolutely, the same goes for the US.

That's why people shouldn’t rely on just one news source.

It seems that many here rely too heavily on Al Jazeera as the ultimate source of truth about this conflict because it confirms their bias.

However.... if they are serious in their attempt for a better understanding of the situation, they should at least acknowledge the pro-Hamas bias present in their coverage.

Al Jazeera is like Channel 14 in Israel, the most right-wing news channel here, and most people in Israel don’t even take it seriously.

It would be absurd to base my perception of the conflict on this channel. I'd end up more ignorant, misinformed, and radical by relying heavily on it.

Even if the most right-wing channel in Israel is seen as relatively liberal in other countries because of how they frame their ideologies and present them in a way that appeals to liberals (like Al Jazeera does), it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a highly biased source.

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This is the nature of news and media, being biased and presenting reality in a way that confirms their bias and political agenda, often by omitting important details or avoiding necessary critique.

Some people don't realize it.

Yes absolutely, the same goes for the US.

That's why people shouldn’t rely on just one news source.

It seems that many here rely too heavily on Al Jazeera as the ultimate source of truth about this conflict because it confirms their bias.

However.... if they are serious in their attempt for a better understanding of the situation, they should at least acknowledge the pro-Hamas bias present in their coverage.

Al Jazeera is like Channel 14 in Israel, the most right-wing news channel here, and most people in Israel don’t even take it seriously.

It would be absurd to base my perception of the conflict on this channel. I'd end up more ignorant, misinformed, and radical by relying heavily on it.

Even if the most right-wing channel in Israel is seen as relatively liberal in other countries because of how they frame their ideologies and present them in a way that appeals to liberals (like Al Jazeera does), it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a highly biased source.

What about the UN as a source? Which clearly tells how many international laws and war crimes are being broken and committed. Israel is illegal 

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Al Jazeera is like Channel 14 in Israel, the most right-wing news channel here, and most people in Israel don’t even take it seriously.

Yes Channel 14 is just as horrible to my opinion.

[PurpleTree]

Channel 14 seems worse. Fox news type rubbish.

At least Al Jazeera have some cute reports and debates.

[Nivsch]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Channel 14 seems worse. Fox news type rubbish.

Luckily we have 11,12 and 13 who are distinctly Anti-Netanyahu (especially 12 and 13).

[Nivsch]

[Lila9]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

What about the UN as a source? Which clearly tells how many international laws and war crimes are being broken and committed. Israel is illegal 

The UN has its biases and agenda as well. Even the UN is not developed enough to be a truly unbiased, uncorrupted, truthful, and wise source of information.

Aside from some UN employees participated in the October 7 attacks, whether directly or indirectly, UN peacekeepers literally can't keep their dicks in their pants, especially around children from vulnerable places, but women as well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers

In my opinion, they are actually white supremacists and racists, but covert. disguised under the guise of progressivism and wokeness.

[Lila9]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Luckily we have 11,12 and 13 who are distinctly Anti-Netanyahu (especially 12 and 13).

Yes, there are more anti-Netanyahu channels and news sources than pro-Netanyahu ones.

Netanyahu often mentions this to portray himself as a victim and an underdog in the eyes of his supporters.

He markets himself as a scapegoat lol.

He presents this as if people criticize him not because he is a corrupt and Machiavellian leader, as he is, but because those who criticize him are evil and corrupt themselves.

[Nivsch]

32 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

He presents this as if people criticize him not because he is a corrupt and Machiavellian leader, as he is, but because those who criticize him are evil and corrupt themselves.

And the Courte, the media, the Shin Bet, the Left, the Elite, the Deep State...

Edited Thursday at 04:07 PM by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

34 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The UN has its biases and agenda as well. Even the UN is not developed enough to be a truly unbiased, uncorrupted, truthful, and wise source of information.

Aside from some UN employees participated in the October 7 attacks, whether directly or indirectly, UN peacekeepers literally can't keep their dicks in their pants, especially around children from vulnerable places, but women as well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers

In my opinion, they are actually white supremacists and racists, but covert. disguised under the guise of progressivism and wokeness.

Wow smh

If the UN is so evil as you portray it. Then what is Israel?

Edited Thursday at 03:59 PM by PurpleTree

[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Wow smh

If the UN is so evil as you portray it. Then what is Israel?

I saw in the past a video on Youtube which says that the UN has started as a more neutral organization but gradually has been taken over mostly by Muslim and communist countries.

 

Edited Thursday at 04:08 PM by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I saw in the past a video on Youtube which says that the UN has started as a more neutral organization but gradually has been taken over mostly by Muslim countries.

 

Who was the source of “this video”?

[Nivsch]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Who was the source of “this video”?

Jerusalem Institude is the channel so maybe it is the source. You don't have to believe it but just listen and decide for yourself how it sounds to you, and then cross reference your intuition with Google, Chatgpt etc.

Edited Thursday at 04:18 PM by Nivsch

[Lila9]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Wow smh

If the UN is so evil as you portray it. Then what is Israel?

Israel is a nation-state, so of course, it will be biased, it has its own survival agenda and doesn’t claim to be neutral.

But the UN is not a nation state. It presents itself as neutral and as a source of integrity, while this is not the case.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Israel is a nation-state, so of course, it will be biased, it has its own survival agenda and doesn’t claim to be neutral.

But the UN is not a nation state. It presents itself as neutral and as a source of integrity, while this is not the case.

I mean you say the UN is so evil and devilish, highlighting their evilness (guys can’t keep their d’s in their pants) and so on. But with Israel you do the opposite.

[zazen]

Isn't the fact that Palestinians are protesting against Hamas, proof that they aren't complicit in October 7th and therefore shouldn't be collectively punished via starvation? Therefore the country doing this is a terrorist state?

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean you say the UN is so evil and devilish, highlighting their evilness (guys can’t keep their d’s in their pants) and so on. But with Israel you do the opposite.

Israel is extremely polarized between conflicting value systems.

Edited Thursday at 04:27 PM by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Israel is extremely polarized between conflicting value systems.

Yea but as a whole it’s committing the G word.